The EE2 Project

[Ithirahad]

If weapon damage is changing, optimal configuration is changing.
[DOUBLEPOST=1445737262,1445736188][/DOUBLEPOST]And if optimal configuration is changing, I'm out. Aside from broken weapons (Shotgun cannons, shotgun beams, pulses) that nobody uses because of shitty mechanics, I don't see enough things wrong with the current balance to warrant wasting my time making ships for one server that may or many not end up going down someday. Keeping up with vanilla balance changes is enough of a pain.

 

[Nuclear Doughnut]

There will be custom configs. BUT not in terms of SHIP BUILDING. That was the problem with Old EE. Ships weren't compatible with other servers. Our configs will be more gameplay balance oriented. Not ship balancing. (minus AI)

 

[Newbatron]

Our configs will be more gameplay balance oriented. Not ship balancing. (minus AI)

I like the sound of that.

 

[Zerefette]

What will be the new ship size mass block limits?

 

[doubleminus0]

What will be the new ship size mass block limits?

Hopefully there will be no ship size or mass block limits.
If there is a ship size or mass block limit it will be very large limit and will allow REAL customization.

If Doughnut sets a small mass block limit most of his ships won't work lol

 

[Master_Artificer]

What will be the new ship size mass block limits?

The limit is if you break the server every time you try to load in your sector. Somewhere in the tens of millions if you make it plain and simple, I am sure.
Of course, this also depends on the hardware and might vary depending on the funding.

But in general, it is fun to might in medium sized ships as you never see fair/interesting fights in massive titans, usually only base attacks, and small ships pop too easily. Finding the balance between affordability and durability is a faction preference and a faction secret, varies across each faction.

 

[Keptick]

What will be the new ship size mass block limits?

The very goal of Elwyn Eternity is to have no limits ^_^

 

[Nuclear Doughnut]

The very goal of Elwyn Eternity is to have no limits ^_^

Keptick you know very well how big I can build

If it breaks the server it's too big. That is the limit. We may have to put a limit on salvage array sizes if people don't respect the idea of mining blown up planets instead of whole planets

 

[Keptick]

Keptick you know very well how big I can build

If it breaks the server it's too big. That is the limit. We may have to put a limit on salvage array sizes if people don't respect the idea of mining blown up planets instead of whole planets

Tbh, unless you decide to have intercourse with a planet, the client will break before the server.

And apparently planet mining lag will be fixed next update :D

 

[Thalanor]

Speaking of which - how many salvage beams would you consider ok? Working on a salvager right now specifically for this, and it currently plans for 500 beams.

 

[Nuclear Doughnut]

I can't give specifics right now... BUT needless to say my old EE miner had 3500 outputs :P

 

[Comr4de]

Man, I don't think reducing weapon damage is a good idea. Right now combat takes a pretty long time. Reducing weapon damage is just going to stretch out that combat to the point of tediousness. I implore you to fight some ships of equivalent mass in SP with the default config before you settle on reducing damage values.

Seriously bro that was a good idea when the only way to kill shit was by shooting the core, that is not the case anymore

 

[Keptick]

Yea, weapons already scale like shit for block-removal. Decreasing their damage will only accentuate the problem...

I do encourage removing or reducing the multi-output power penalty though.

 

[therimmer96]

I'm going to say the same I said to deadlis when he ignored me, don't change the weapons. increase thruster output and warp ranges, that is all.

 

[StormWing0]

If you increase jump range you also have to up warpgate range too.

 

[CrunkPrime]

Ill second and third and fourth the whole "reducing weapon damage is bad" thing.

If you think fighting bigger ships than your ship is already unfair now, wait till you LITERALLY cant even put a dent in them, while their hugely bloated weapons systems can still put out good damage.

 

[Thalanor]

Weapon damage is better left untouched precisely because of how smaller ships scale against large ones otherwise.
Even reducing the multi-output penalty is wrong IMHO - because it changes the optimal configuration! A ship built elsewhere would not perform as well as a ship specifically designed for lower power penalties, fielding a giant waffle.

My humble suggestion: Leave everything that has to do with power, weapons, shields and armor as-is.

 

[Lecic]

IMO, the only weapons that should be changed are extremely underpowered ones, like shotguns or basic dumbfires.

 

[CrunkPrime]

fielding a giant waffle.

Massive "waffle guns" that use hardly any energy would be horrifying to see used by everyone. Waffle cannons, waffle beams, waffle missiles. It would be brutal.

 

[Thalanor]

Yes, that's why there is IMO a clear line to draw between config changes that make sense and those that are detrimental:

YES: Warpgates, jumpdrives, sectors, thrust,...
NO: Power generation/usage/penalties, shields, weapons, armor,

This would ensure a more fun config but without changing relative ship strengths