What everyone seems to be forgetting is that specialised ships can work in fleet battles, it's just that they need to work with other ships that cover for their weaknesses.
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The Tartaran Empire have left the old Hades shipyard.
The giant shipyard was too expensive for its size to keep running.
Therefore a new smaller and more effective shipyard have been constructed.
I present:
The new Hades shipyard.
Heavily defended with easy and quick access to all docks on the main building.
The new Hades is surrounded by multiple sentry platforms, two of which are attached to the shipyard.
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Oh and thanks to @therimmer96 for being so nice to delete the old station and import the new one .
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Amazing work m8The Tartaran Empire have left the old Hades shipyard.
The giant shipyard was too expensive for its size to keep running.
Therefore a new smaller and more effective shipyard have been constructed.
I present:
The new Hades shipyard.
Heavily defended with easy and quick access to all docks on the main building.
The new Hades is surrounded by multiple sentry platforms, two of which are attached to the shipyard.
If only I can build half as well, I might have less grey rectangles floating around :p
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Could pay your bills huh, yeppp. Space stations can be mighty expensive, that's why I have a VISA credit card.The Tartaran Empire have left the old Hades shipyard.
The giant shipyard was too expensive for its size to keep running.
Therefore a new smaller and more effective shipyard have been constructed.
I present:
The new Hades shipyard.
Heavily defended with easy and quick access to all docks on the main building.
The new Hades is surrounded by multiple sentry platforms, two of which are attached to the shipyard.
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Update
Today at around 16:00 GMT, the Tartaran Empire received news that the NFD and CR would be hosting a combat exercise. I contacted creeper about the possibility of joining him, since the TE members online were looking for something to do and the NFD members have a tendency of not all showing up. Creeper kindly issued a statement explaining our involvement in the combat exercise:
“This is what happened at the war games this afternoon. This is from my point of view so I may have misssed some things. Anyone feel free to add or correct things.
Matt gave me and pyoso each a large sum of credits so that we could buy ships. This was the first time I have been on elwyn ever, so I had only starting credits. I also did not have access to blueprints of any of the NFD combat ships. Because of this kiwi kindly offered to lend me a TE ship to use in the fight and he also offered to help in the fight. I said yes to both offers because I knew that without help me and pyoso would be dead in under a minute. When kiwi arrived at spawn to give me a ship I had found one of pyoso's ships that he had uploaded in the catolog and, using the credits that matt gave me, I spawned it in. Then when I got to where the battle was taking place Pyoso told me that he had found the blueprint for one of our combat ships. He spawned one in and as I was spawning one in, something happened (I don't know what) and everyone started yelling at each other. I'm assuming this is when there was fighing but I don't know for sure because I wasn't in the sector. after whatever happend happened I was killed by kiwi's ship due to a self defence mechinism that was installed on his ship.
This is everything that I can say about this. Please don't turn this into a flame war as it was only a friendly battle.”
As you can see, our involvement was genuine and honest, although an administrative failure meant that the CR were not informed of our participation, this does not excuse their reaction to what happened.
The battle itself was fairly uneventful, the TE and NFD forces warped in on 15, 15, 15. And aligned to hostiles in local. myself and targ closed distance down to 6k. Where we started firing potshots, waiting for a reaction (our weapons have a maximum effective range of 4k, so our shooting was ineffective). Shortly after, the majority of the CR fleet warped out, leaving just the ship belonging to Matt_Bradock. The turrets on MrTargaeryans ship then kill Matts ghost, leaving the ship empty. After a while, I released that matt was asking us to leave the sector so he could spawn in, we shortly did so, increasing the distance between us to around 8k and withdrawing to 15, 15, 14, while withdrawing I fired a lock-on missile at the ship, which unfortunately killed matt (who was the only casualty of the engagement). The TE and NFD goofed around in 15, 15, 15 for a bit, waiting to see what would happen. Then eventually the TE fleet warped out when a CR fleet jumped into the sector. What ensued was lots of swearing and typing from both sides. It is unfortunate a supposedly friendly engagement is supposedly considered an act of war by the CR.
The TE and CR are now in a state of war, although with the current SM faction mechanics its debatable if this will end well for either side.
We wish the Calderon republic the best of luck in their current conflict.
Today at around 16:00 GMT, the Tartaran Empire received news that the NFD and CR would be hosting a combat exercise. I contacted creeper about the possibility of joining him, since the TE members online were looking for something to do and the NFD members have a tendency of not all showing up. Creeper kindly issued a statement explaining our involvement in the combat exercise:
“This is what happened at the war games this afternoon. This is from my point of view so I may have misssed some things. Anyone feel free to add or correct things.
Matt gave me and pyoso each a large sum of credits so that we could buy ships. This was the first time I have been on elwyn ever, so I had only starting credits. I also did not have access to blueprints of any of the NFD combat ships. Because of this kiwi kindly offered to lend me a TE ship to use in the fight and he also offered to help in the fight. I said yes to both offers because I knew that without help me and pyoso would be dead in under a minute. When kiwi arrived at spawn to give me a ship I had found one of pyoso's ships that he had uploaded in the catolog and, using the credits that matt gave me, I spawned it in. Then when I got to where the battle was taking place Pyoso told me that he had found the blueprint for one of our combat ships. He spawned one in and as I was spawning one in, something happened (I don't know what) and everyone started yelling at each other. I'm assuming this is when there was fighing but I don't know for sure because I wasn't in the sector. after whatever happend happened I was killed by kiwi's ship due to a self defence mechinism that was installed on his ship.
This is everything that I can say about this. Please don't turn this into a flame war as it was only a friendly battle.”
As you can see, our involvement was genuine and honest, although an administrative failure meant that the CR were not informed of our participation, this does not excuse their reaction to what happened.
The battle itself was fairly uneventful, the TE and NFD forces warped in on 15, 15, 15. And aligned to hostiles in local. myself and targ closed distance down to 6k. Where we started firing potshots, waiting for a reaction (our weapons have a maximum effective range of 4k, so our shooting was ineffective). Shortly after, the majority of the CR fleet warped out, leaving just the ship belonging to Matt_Bradock. The turrets on MrTargaeryans ship then kill Matts ghost, leaving the ship empty. After a while, I released that matt was asking us to leave the sector so he could spawn in, we shortly did so, increasing the distance between us to around 8k and withdrawing to 15, 15, 14, while withdrawing I fired a lock-on missile at the ship, which unfortunately killed matt (who was the only casualty of the engagement). The TE and NFD goofed around in 15, 15, 15 for a bit, waiting to see what would happen. Then eventually the TE fleet warped out when a CR fleet jumped into the sector. What ensued was lots of swearing and typing from both sides. It is unfortunate a supposedly friendly engagement is supposedly considered an act of war by the CR.
The TE and CR are now in a state of war, although with the current SM faction mechanics its debatable if this will end well for either side.
We wish the Calderon republic the best of luck in their current conflict.
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Wtf????[DOUBLEPOST=1414273245,1414272671][/DOUBLEPOST]Ok now I'm confused.. communication damit.. it's important... our reaction is just when given the perception of events and the situation. I only care about how we got into a state of war, and if it is a viable reason.. it was meant to be a friendly engagement between CR and NDF. Not telling us that you would join and participate is a big deal with us. Simple communicating would of resolved this issue. Why CR wasn't told, I just don't know.
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As an NFD member, I have no idea what even.
Guys, let's all just send peace requests and forget whatever clusterfuck that was ever existed. Seriously, it was meant to be NFD v CR, but I had the BPs and ended up not being able to attend. I get that Creeper requested a combat ship seeing as to how he didn't have any, and that the TE probably should have been invited in the first place.
However, @kiwionthemoon, from what I'm gathering the CR thinks it was a deliberate act of war. Best you just apologize and move on.
Guys, let's all just send peace requests and forget whatever clusterfuck that was ever existed. Seriously, it was meant to be NFD v CR, but I had the BPs and ended up not being able to attend. I get that Creeper requested a combat ship seeing as to how he didn't have any, and that the TE probably should have been invited in the first place.
However, @kiwionthemoon, from what I'm gathering the CR thinks it was a deliberate act of war. Best you just apologize and move on.
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There is a difference between "administrative error", and plain stupidity.
I personally do not believe it will be THAT hard to type "Hey guys, TE is joining the battle since DFN doesn't have enough members". Instead, you warped in with a non-hostile tag, and THEN begin the attack.
Anyone with a shed of common sense would know if they are to join an organised battle suddenly, they would have the thing switched to "Hostile" so participants who are not informed will at least know you are an enemy and not a neutral observer.
Sorry, not buying this story Kiwi.
I personally do not believe it will be THAT hard to type "Hey guys, TE is joining the battle since DFN doesn't have enough members". Instead, you warped in with a non-hostile tag, and THEN begin the attack.
Anyone with a shed of common sense would know if they are to join an organised battle suddenly, they would have the thing switched to "Hostile" so participants who are not informed will at least know you are an enemy and not a neutral observer.
Sorry, not buying this story Kiwi.
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U wanna know his response to that exact point I raised? Read CR forums thread.[DOUBLEPOST=1414297454,1414295421][/DOUBLEPOST]"your members must all be mentallyhandicapped if they do not recognise that two TE ships warping in alongsideNFD ships meant the TE were involved"
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From this statement I can infer that you you are calling my members mentally retarded for not firing at a faction who is supposed to be at peace with us, and you are still scratching your heads at why we are at war.
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By your logic, it mean CR can warp into a battle you and DFN are having as long as timing is similar without a red tag as well as any form of notification.
Clearly respecting a truce between CR and TE by our side equates to incompentence? Wait... no
I will either take that as failed reasoning or as an open invitation to gate crash further battles.
When inquired, your representive Kiwi instead of reasoning, let alone apologizing due to an unaanounced interferance decided to resort to an insult directed towards CR as "Mentally handicapped", then I would rather be mentally handicapped than lacking any sense of reasoning as well as being eager to insult rather than discuss.
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The TE and CR are set as hostile (red) on EE. I dont include the insults twoniner threw at myself or my members either.
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Not at the time of battle it wasnt, until fired upon which lead to auto declaration of war, you were regarded as a neutral observer and thus were not fired at till we were fired upon.
The point we are stressing is not whether by God's will we figure out you are hostile through mind reading, but the fact that you decided to interfere without giving any form of notification then resorting to insult CR as a whole as "Mentally handicapped" for not attacking a potentially neutral spectator (See how we do not fire at things that dont fire at us?) rather than any form of reasonable discussion.