Damage pulse is useless

[ne3zy]

I just made a damage pulse ship and I now realise how useless it is, I have damage pulse supported by damage beams for increased radius (I have 100% support). And even with increased range I can't hit anyone since first of all, even with increased radius it's still too small and even more annoying, the pulse doesn't get the ship momentum, so if the enemy moves you will never hit him.
I suggest increasing default range and making pulse follow the output module block.

 

[CyberTao]

The first part about increasing range is iffy due to how the damage is dealt. make it too big and you can insta-nom an entire wing of fighters potentially. Following the output is a good idea though.

 

[ne3zy]

The first part about increasing range is iffy due to how the damage is dealt. make it too big and you can insta-nom an entire wing of fighters potentially. Following the output is a good idea though.

Damage pulse need a radius increase that's for sure the question is, should it be proportional to the mass of the ship or should it be like it is now. Both option are fine IMO but what you stated won't happen since the ship has to be at very close quarters for it to do something. I actually got maximum radius and sometimes it's even hard to hit an almost immobile target.
Also damage can be made proportional to the distance you are from the ship, this way the radius can be increased a lot.

 

[Jake_Lancia]

Personally I feel that as a master, the damage pulse should fire out as an expanding projectile. Basically an unguided, area-of-effect weapon that could be used for bombardment or artillery, with decent range. I feel that would solve its problems and include new tactical opportunities. But I'm not sure how or if it could work, and if it does happen, push pulse should stay as it is now.
Just my two cents on the damage pulse matter.

 

[HerrColonel]

Personally I feel that as a master, the damage pulse should fire out as an expanding projectile. Basically an unguided, area-of-effect weapon that could be used for bombardment or artillery, with decent range. I feel that would solve its problems and include new tactical opportunities. But I'm not sure how or if it could work, and if it does happen, push pulse should stay as it is now.
Just my two cents on the damage pulse matter.

I like this idea maybe a combo should do it but I think the basic pulse have to remain

 

[Jake_Lancia]

I think the basic pulse have to remain

True, perhaps damage pulse + beam slave would better suit my idea.

 

[ltmauve]

One thing that needs to be fixed with the damage pulse is that it doesn't calculate damage until the animation is done.

 

[CyberTao]

Also damage can be made proportional to the distance you are from the ship, this way the radius can be increased a lot.

Honestly, that sounds like something missiles could use more (when hitting multiple entities). The main damage feature of Pulse is it's ability to do full damage to everything within it's range, I kinda don't wanna lose that.

But there was talks of changing pulse before, so it is planned to be altered. I think that changing how it is fired (launched instead of instantly set off) would be better than just upping the range.

 

[Nighthawk_77]

I just made a damage pulse ship and I now realise how useless it is, I have damage pulse supported by damage beams for increased radius (I have 100% support). And even with increased range I can't hit anyone since first of all, even with increased radius it's still too small and even more annoying, the pulse doesn't get the ship momentum, so if the enemy moves you will never hit him.
I suggest increasing default range and making pulse follow the output module block.

All you have to do is to make a pull effect system to pull in the opponents...

 

[ne3zy]

All you have to do is to make a pull effect system to pull in the opponents...

too bad pull effect removes all damage...

 

[Nighthawk_77]

too bad pull effect removes all damage...

i meant to make a specialised pull system

 

[ne3zy]

i meant to make a specialised pull system

lol good luck making that work

 

[AtraUnam]

Lets just go back to having range based on system dimensions.

 

[Nighthawk_77]

lol good luck making that work

I did make it work

 

[ne3zy]

I did make it work

pics or didn't happened

 

[FullMetalFox]

pics or didn't happened

Pull weapons are quiet common...
Damage Beam+Cannon+Pull Effect
Cannon+Cannon+Pull Effect
Missile+Missile+Pull Effect (Annoying as fuck, both as pull or push)

 

[ne3zy]

Pull weapons are quiet common...
Damage Beam+Cannon+Pull Effect
Cannon+Cannon+Pull Effect
Missile+Missile+Pull Effect (Annoying as fuck, both as pull or push)

Ok so you're saying a pull effect and a damage pulse is more powerful damage wise or just in general that a cannon+cannon or almost any weapon? Because that's what I was asking to see.

 

[FullMetalFox]

Ok so you're saying a pull effect and a damage pulse is more powerful damage wise or just in general that a cannon+cannon or almost any weapon? Because that's what I was asking to see.

Nah, Damage Pulse has only 0.5 DPS per Weapon Block, compared to most weapons 5 DPS. The option to use it combined with pull weapons is there and works, and thats what you didnt believe according to your exchange with Nighthawk_77. If its effective or powerful, is another question.

 

[ne3zy]

Nah, Damage Pulse has only 0.5 DPS per Weapon Block, compared to most weapons 5 DPS. The option to use it combined with pull weapons is there and works, and thats what you didnt believe according to your exchange with Nighthawk_77. If its effective or powerful, is another question.

lol you're not going to tell me what I believe or not mr smart, why do you think the name of the thread is damage pulse is useless? What I was asking for is a proof of how effective it is compared to a real weapon.

 

[ltmauve]

Of course it's useless. It has the lowest DPS per block and is incredibly difficult to hit with.