So yes, you basically rephrased what I already said. The point is: why should people from steam or other communities have to buy the game to vote, while forum users don't?
I thought I made that clear when I said "in other words".
Why should Steam or other communities have a say in an election of the representatives of this community? I don't get to vote in your country's elections if I'm not a citizen of your country myself... just as I don't expect to vote for Steam community representatives.
And I understand you Lecic would may be personally in favor of this suggestion since you have brought the game, but you need to look at the bigger picture.
So supporting the devs is a bad idea? Having more people buy the game so they can help improve the game they probably already really like is a bad idea? or am I getting something wrong here?
Well, fifty two votes isn't much right now. Maybe this poll could be made a sticky so more people see it?
I would not be against this getting stickied, DukeofRealms
Done
Why should everyone pay to vote, even if they can prove they are no alt, and the latest version of game is still available for free? (once that is no longer the case, I don't think there is a reason against having to purchase the game to vote)
Because it's the only way to prevent people from alt bombing the elections that doesn't discriminate against people from other websites or those trying to protect their privacy through TOR/VPNs/Sending a carrier pigeon to a guy in the Montana backwoods with directions for posting for you/etc.
If those other websites are official, a similar system could be integrated there. If they are not, there is nothing, that can be done about it. (analogy: would you trust medicine sold to you by a random guy on the street as much as medicine purchased at a pharmacy?)
There is really nothing that I could reasonably say here, except that regardless of whether one chooses to use TOR or a VPN, purchasing the game will give one the right to vote in both proposed systems. (unless I am misunderstanding)
Official meaning... what, exactly? Steam isn't "official." There's no way to Schine to implement a "is this person real?" system for Steam, afaik.
In this case, official just means Schine can make certain demands of the site in question, to either implement such a system or prevent that system from being subverted by the owner of that site.
It may not be as easy as here on starmadedock, but it is not impossible.
While true, it also discriminates against those unable to make a purchase on the internet.
It would be harder than the current system, yes, but it would still be possible to make fake accounts and rig the election.
I have to agree with jstenholt. If a points system gets used, I think it should be kept secret from everybody except Schema and Schine. Or at least the details on how it works.
How would you go about implementing a system like Duke's in a community not owned by Schine, like Steam, and why should those users be discriminated against.
You're swapping one kind of discrimination for another, and, really, since we're kind of at a point where we need to discriminate against SOMEONE to prevent alt voting, we might as well go with the smaller one (people who can't buy things online at all are probably fewer than people who don't use SMD) that also has a more effective prevention method.
Pretty effective when fine tuned, I've used a similar system in another circumstance
Sure. Anyone could rig the election with purchased alt accounts... it'd just be harder
It's very simple. Purchase the game, or contribute something to the official forums to make up for that lack of purchase. If we could implement a similar system on Reddit and Steam (the only other two official locations), that would be ideal. I'm fairly certain this can't be done effectively with Steam and I don't think it's possible with Reddit. Since a big part of the council's job is here, it would make the most sense to have SMD as the alternative way to permit someone to vote. Councillors even award badges here!
This doesn't make much sense. The points system would mean Purchased Users + Forum Point threshold users. Whereas the purchased system would just be Purchased Users. Points + Purchased Users > Purchased Users. If we're really going for the smaller amount, we'd be using my system :p
