The Leviathan - UNSC Marathon Class Heavy Cruiser

[The Judge]

Fukin' 343 and their Epochs.

 

[SkylordLuke]

Hey Stridents are cool as hell,not everything is bad.
Also Infinity is the most badass ship in halo universe,Bungie or 343i fan,that is the truth :D

 

[Colt556]

I'm going to bow out here because you both are taking from the new canon which retcons a lot of stuff, and I know very little about it because it's all absolute garbage that retcons older stuff. For example the whole "they didn't lose most of their colonies". I don't know what 343 did but in Bungie's canon the covenant glassed every human world they found, only exceptions being if there were forerunner artifacts and even then they just glassed everything except that area (see: Reach). In fact covenant never did ground invasions at all unless there were forerunner artifacts. They showed up, wiped out whatever defenses the UNSC had, and then glassed the planet and moved on. It was routinely stated that ground invasions were exceptionally rare. Yet apparently 343 retconned this to make the covenant stupid and do pointless ground invasions on every world.. for some reason. Same with the whole "the marathon had lots of problems and wasn't that much cheaper". In every bit of Bungie lore the marathon was a flat out better replacement than the Halcyon with the only exception being it didn't have the honeycomb design because that was stupidly expensive.

So yeah, I can't argue against the new canon that just flat out replaces all the stuff I grew up with and know.

Also, as for the infinitube. I already said bungie ships were generic, but they did it right. It's like a lot of ships on starmade. If you boil it down they're just giant boxes, but they look amazing and they have a charm to them. The bungie ships had this. The Halcyon is probably the most guilty of just being a big box but the marathon had a very unique shape and silhouette as did the frigate. The infinitube is just that, a big tube with greebling thrown on it and some round bits here and there. There's no charm there. Everything 343 puts out is lazy and uninspired, from their armor designs to their ship designs to their story-lines.

But yeah, I can't argue the new canon and I'm sure wookiee doesn't appreciate us arguing halo lore in his thread anyways, so I'm bowing out here.

 

[BrotherLazarus]

This argument amuses me greatly because the real reason Halo ended up so bad?

Microsoft.

In 1997, Computer Gaming World released a demo disc I held with reverence. A glorious, open world, tactical shooter ala Rainbow Six in space with vehicles and frickin' aircraft-jacking! Shortly after their tech demo, Bungie went bankrupt and Microsoft bought them out. They kept developing HALO as Halo: Combat Evolved in secret for the upcoming MS console.

That's right. The original Halo: Combat Evolved was simply known as HALO. You were exploring a Niven ring (kept) against unknown aliens (kept), blowing up their ships (ditched outside of cutscenes) and stealing their aircraft -in the air- to provide fire support for your AI ground troops (kept.. sort of... only put back in during 2). There were no corridors outside of obvious placement (ship hallways and structures), the place was an absurdly open world for the time--which was their downfall as the tech and research costs were high enough to bankrupt them.

Come XBox launch, and the open world, highly tactical shooter with all the cool features was a... corridor shooter with an awful lot of dirt and steel. I did like it, but it was nowhere near the original fuckwin vision.

That's my old fart 2 cents. Carry on. :P

 

[jstenholt]

So yeah, I can't argue against the new canon that just flat out replaces all the stuff I grew up with and know.

Rose-tinted glasses! Get your rose-tinted glasses here! Never subject yourself to new and different experiences again with rooooooose-tinted glasses!

 

[BrotherLazarus]

Rose-tinted glasses! Get your rose-tinted glasses here! Never subject yourself to new and different experiences again with rooooooose-tinted glasses!

*points to comment immediately above yours*

I think I may have said that a little more nicely by pointing out that their childhood was mostly delivered by an already totally changed game. :P

 

[Colt556]

Rose-tinted glasses! Get your rose-tinted glasses here! Never subject yourself to new and different experiences again with rooooooose-tinted glasses!

Just because something is new and different doesn't automatically make it good or better. Don't fall into that trap. Don't forget that the stuff I'm defending right now was, at one point, new and different. Yet I still liked it. It's easy to dismiss people's complaints with nonsense like your post, but it's just that, nonsense. Sure, 343 is making new stuff, but that new stuff is shitty and doesn't abide by what halo use to be about. It being new doesn't change that fact.

 

[BrotherLazarus]

Just because something is new and different doesn't automatically make it good or better. Don't fall into that trap. Don't forget that the stuff I'm defending right now was, at one point, new and different. Yet I still liked it. It's easy to dismiss people's complaints with nonsense like your post, but it's just that, nonsense. Sure, 343 is making new stuff, but that new stuff is shitty and doesn't abide by what halo use to be about. It being new doesn't change that fact.

I think you're ignoring the fact that it's not really what Halo used to be about. 343 is doing what Bungie was forced to, and getting fan backlash for it--and half the fans aren't even aware that their most holy of canon isn't even what is really canon.

 

[Reilly Reese]

Everyone agrees that the UNSC Spirit of Fire looked the best...
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Why can't more UNSC ships look like the SOF? :/

 

[The Judge]

Everyone agrees that the UNSC Spirit of Fire looked the best...
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Why can't more UNSC ships look like the SOF? :/

Well, you have the Epoch, which I think looks okay, but needs more work.

 

[Colt556]

I think you're ignoring the fact that it's not really what Halo used to be about. 343 is doing what Bungie was forced to, and getting fan backlash for it--and half the fans aren't even aware that their most holy of canon isn't even what is really canon.

The game changed, the lore didn't. From the time it was an RTS, to when it was a third person to shooter, to when it was the FPS we know today the basic lore ideas they had remained the same, only becoming more detailed as they went along. Gameplay =/= lore after all. 343 changed the gameplay, but they also changed the lore, and not in a good way. And it's the lore part that pisses me off since I loved Bungie's Halo universe, and 343 just took a big dump all over it.

 

[BrotherLazarus]

The game changed, the lore didn't. From the time it was an RTS, to when it was a third person to shooter, to when it was the FPS we know today the basic lore ideas they had remained the same, only becoming more detailed as they went along. Gameplay =/= lore after all. 343 changed the gameplay, but they also changed the lore, and not in a good way. And it's the lore part that pisses me off since I loved Bungie's Halo universe, and 343 just took a big dump all over it.

It could be worse... they could have hired Matt Ward and CS Goto.

If you're not familiar with them, don't look... they managed to rewrite good canon and caused the current "ULTRAMARINES IS DA BESTEST" and "Space Wolves wolfwolfwolfwolfy wolf".

Not to mention the Grey Knight fiasco, where the THINGS IMPERVIOUS TO DAEMONS HAVE TO PERFORM A TZEENTCH-STYLE RITUAL IN ORDER TO BE IMPERVIOUS TO DAEMONS.

Yeeaah... 343 isn't nearly as bad with what they're currently doing. Though I was mostly just pointing out that it's not that terrible, rather than trying to be an ass. They might be tinkering with things they ought'nt but at least they're not as bad as Matt Ward's horrible fluf bashing.

 

[Zyrr]

Kaldor Draigo is the best Space Marine of all time, ever.

Thanks Ward.

 

[BrotherLazarus]

Kaldor Draigo is the best Space Marine of all time, ever.

Thanks Ward.

actually it's the Khornate Knights bit I was more referring to...

Hey Sororitas! We're immune to daemons but we're gonna kill you to death and splatter your blood all over us to be more immune to you 'cause we're being written by OUR SPIRITUAL LEEEEEIIIIIGEEEE so we can haz moar immune!

And the whole "space wolves have wolves EVERYWHERE WOLF WOLF WOLF" annoys me specifically, since they WERE once upon a time kickass space vikings.

Not to mention BLOOD EVERYTHING, shafting the Eldar, IG, Necrons... and that abomination the Dreadknight.

Yeah. Ward is the devil.

 

[jstenholt]

The game changed, the lore didn't. From the time it was an RTS, to when it was a third person to shooter, to when it was the FPS we know today the basic lore ideas they had remained the same, only becoming more detailed as they went along. Gameplay =/= lore after all. 343 changed the gameplay, but they also changed the lore, and not in a good way. And it's the lore part that pisses me off since I loved Bungie's Halo universe, and 343 just took a big dump all over it.

You keep spouting nonsense like this. And at the risk of hijacking this amazing ship thread, I feel like I have to ask: what lore did they change?

 

[Colt556]

You keep spouting nonsense like this. And at the risk of hijacking this amazing ship thread, I feel like I have to ask: what lore did they change?

Turning the flood into Precursor-space-meth that's made from the precursors themselves.

Making the foreruners a bunch of evil assholes who go around subjugating the galaxy through force

Making the humans an ancient empire that rivaled the forerunners and were allied with the prophets, also them being the ones who beat the flood originally and managed to come up with a way of removing the flood permanently.

Making it so rampancy doesn't just kill the AI and instead makes them go all crazy, because sticking to the "they literally think themselves to death" was too hard

Adding yet another halo ring when it was confirmed numerous times that there was only 7

I could go on but my point is proven, 343s mucked with the lore and their storylines are just dumb. I mean the entire plot of Halo 5 was basically a combination of Mass Effect and Terminator. "Hurr tha AIs go evil and take over". If you like the new direction 343s taken Halo, good for you. However I have yet to see even one single addition to the lore that wasn't something stupid and lazy.

 

[Reilly Reese]

Turning the flood into Precursor-space-meth that's made from the precursors themselves.

Making the foreruners a bunch of evil assholes who go around subjugating the galaxy through force

Making the humans an ancient empire that rivaled the forerunners and were allied with the prophets, also them being the ones who beat the flood originally and managed to come up with a way of removing the flood permanently.

Making it so rampancy doesn't just kill the AI and instead makes them go all crazy, because sticking to the "they literally think themselves to death" was too hard

Adding yet another halo ring when it was confirmed numerous times that there was only 7

I could go on but my point is proven, 343s mucked with the lore and their storylines are just dumb. I mean the entire plot of Halo 5 was basically a combination of Mass Effect and Terminator. "Hurr tha AIs go evil and take over". If you like the new direction 343s taken Halo, good for you. However I have yet to see even one single addition to the lore that wasn't something stupid and lazy.

1. Didact was one forerunner.
2. Whatever
3. Cortana nearly seemed to think herself to death to me imo
4. That was one of the 7 rings durr.

 

[Colt556]

1. Didact was one forerunner.
2. Whatever
3. Cortana nearly seemed to think herself to death to me imo
4. That was one of the 7 rings durr.

Didact wasn't the only evil one, the books, terminals, and halo 5 all say that forerunners in general were oppressive assholes. Only reason they weren't full on draconian is because they had to somehow explain the previous games.

"whatever" is still them changing the lore

Cortana never thought herself to death, she never came close, she just went crazy. You know why the UNSC doesn't have safeguards in place to shut down AI that go rampant? Because they don't need to. Because rampancy wasn't ever craziness, it was them just degrading their functions until they just ceased to be. When your harddrive dies of old age it doesn't go crazy and attempt to subjugate you first. They changed the effects of rampancy so they could give us evil skynet cortana.

The ring one you're right, my mistake, doesn't excuse all the other stuff 343s done but I own my mistakes.

Either way, I've proven my point. 343 has retconned a lot of the lore and what new additions they have made are uninspired bullshit (hurr didact is actually evil and turns humans into robts to fight the flood... because simply making actual robots isn't worth it or something, or hurr cortana's evil and goes full skynet on the galaxy.) If you disagree, that's on you, but I'm not gonna spam this thread with halo talk anymore.

 

[jstenholt]

Either way, I've proven my point.

If you ever have to say you've proven your point, chances are you haven't. And you seem to think that 343i just made this stuff up on the spot in an attempt to make you feel bad. There's this thing called the Halo Bible, which Bungie began writing during the Combat Evolved era. In it is the entirety of Halo lore, things we still don't know about that were written more than a decade ago, and other things which Bungie, and now 343i, have added. Long before 343i existed we saw Requiem and references to pre-flood humanity's empire in the original trilogy.

To assume that you hold all the answers when we have absolutely zero idea of what is or was not in the bible prior to 343i taking over is childish: stop.

 

[SuperWookie]

I've been getting rather bored of Starmade, so there may not be any updates for some time. I'm sure I'll eventually get back into it though.