- Jun 11, 2016
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"Listen to the community." - They do that and actually respond quite often. I assume you confuse listening with obeying. Just because I listen and think about feedback doesn't mean it is the best for the pvp if I do just as the majority of pvpers want here.How do I propose to fix it? Simple.
1. Stop making dumb decisions that effectively throw away years of development.
2. Related to point 1, stop wasting time and resources. Schine have said they don't want to advertise, but then they waste the little money they have of dead end development. The upcoming power update is the biggest show of this. The fleet competition is also up there, as every single ship from that competition will have to be redone.
3. Listen to the community. Schine have said they don't play the game as a game. But instead of listening to the people who do, they ignore them. Listen to the PvPers on balance, listen to the builders on build system improvements, listen to the game-breakers on bug fixing. DO NOT THINK THIS COMMUNITY WILL GO QUIETLY. If you, Schine, keep doing as you are now and bullshitting the community, do not think it will not come back to bite you. You want a new community? Good luck with that after treating the previous one like shit.
That's obviously not everything that needs to happen but it's a hell of a good start.
"Schine have said they don't play the game as a game." - That's true, they said that. But don't put the words in another context: Fristly of that means that they play the game and ofcourse they also play the pvp part. But they perceive it differently. It does not mean they have no clue how to pvp. Actually they might know better than everyone else how to pvp in Starmade as they know exactly how the math works additionally to the practical feedback they get from other players. So they know booth sides: The praxis pvpers and the theoretical pvp part. Secondly the sentence did not mean they don't know how pvp in a game works. Actually I think each one of the Shine members is a gamer (I don't know that but I think you don't disagree with me when I say it's very likely. ). And I think they read a lot of game theory and balancing theory texts
The only thing this sentence was meant to say is, that Shine plays the game, but perceives it way differently than for example a casual 18 year old gamer. They are older and they are having the code in front of them very often. Ripping this sentence out of context and assuming that they have no clue about how pvp works is not a nice move at all.
"Listen to the PvPers on balance, listen to the builders on build system improvements, listen to the game-breakers on bug fixing." - Assuming that the team is not interested into improving and progressing the game is unlogical. Why would any game developer be interested into making the game worse? Do you really think they do what they do to not improve the game? xD This is what I read between lines when I read your sentences. And I think that's not true mate, you are on the wrong thought train here.
Balance is not ignored, there are many mechanics in place and planned (like chambers and reactor levels) that give many possibilites to balance pvp. Game breaking bugs got adressed often and they even changed the way they release updates to: dev-build leads to pre-release build leads to stable-build.
"NOT THINK THIS COMMUNITY WILL GO QUIETLY. If you, Schine, keep doing as you are now and bullshitting the community, do not think it will not come back to bite you. " - Did they once say they are not interested into the feedback? Did they once say they want you guys to shut up? Did they once say you can go play another game? They only said they don't advertise it as it has many missing features. And they said they want to actively engage in player seeking when the game is in a more finished state. That doesn't mean they don't care for the progression or that they want you to stop playing. Not wanting to advertise is not the same as wanting to get rid of old players. It's something totally different with different motivations and different goals.
And about bullshitting the community and that it will bite back...If you bought the game on Steam you can go an leave a negative review there, when this is what you honestly think of the game. But don't leave a comment because you don't get something Shema didn't promisse: Pvp as you want it, was never promissed on the Steam page or on Starmades homepage!
Here, to quote the steam page, is what is promissed for the game: Community multiplayer (dedicated servers) - Play with others in our community hosted servers. Our configs allow administrators to customise core game mechanics for a tailored experience. Most settings can be tweaked to squeeze the best performance out of hardware. Modular Weapon Systems - Combine weapon systems for countless configurations of weapons. From sniper beams to swarm missiles.
So how is Shine bullshitting the community exactly? Did they promisse working pvp? Yes. Did they advertise pvp in the way you want it? No. Did they say they balance pvp within a given set of time? No. Did they give missleading messages about the content of this game? No. Please just prove me wrong and answer one of my questions differently, or tell me more precise what you understand about the bullshitting.
"You want a new community? Good luck with that after treating the previous one like shit.
That's obviously not everything that needs to happen but it's a hell of a good start." I just want to let youthink about one thing lastly: Would you listen to Shine, and like Shine, if they used the same temper you have to talk to you back? Would you like listening to yourself? Are you satisfied with yourself and how you talk to others?