Negative Review: Mikelands AUS Server - My (Unfortunate) Experience

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    Im very sorry about that
    I kinda feel like I'm being attacked here for no real reason... I thought my contribution to this thread was rather neutral and passive.
    Im very sorry about that mike,
    No way should you be attacked, youve only helped.
    Thank you for all your help so far and I really appreciate your input
     
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    Its the fault of K10wN not the server owner,
    The abuse posts are about certain admins, not the community OR the server host and owner (mike)
    Just trying to stay on topic!
    It only involves one person

    Cheers!
    Ill open a ticket soon, thank you mike
     
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    Yes but the lack of action on the issue of his admins abuse and the "You are not entitled to play on my server. You are permitted to play by myself and my staff. It is a privilege - not a right." attitude puts the owner at fault also.
     
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    Yes but the lack of action on the issue of his admins abuse and the "You are not entitled to play on my server. You are permitted to play by myself and my staff. It is a privilege - not a right." attitude puts the owner at fault also.
    The OP hasn't even made a ticket yet, and I made it clear I will only respond to issues and complaints if they are lodged as a ticket - Accusing me of inaction at this juncture is a little unfair.

    RE: privilege vs right - welcome to the real world - every publicly exposed service run by private concerns ultimately have the same underlying philosophy. "The management reserves the right to refuse entry" - ever seen that anywhere? Of course you have - Do you go picket stores with that sign on the window?

    I don't HAVE to let anyone play on my server - it's MINE - I paid for it, I put the effort in keeping it running - so if you're playing on it, it's because I'm ALLOWING you to. Start being a problem and I'm WELL WITHIN my rights to remove you.

    I don't understand why people such as yourself find that concept so offensive.
     
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    If there are still issues with abuse then nothing was done after I raised the problem with you, hence a lack of action to fix what is clearly broken. I'm going to quote what FullMetalFox posted in the last negative review, as I couldn't state this better myself:

    Jeez, as long time admin of various game servers and networks, i can only say: Get that thinking out of your head quickly.
    Without players, your server is nothing but an empty place where you and your few buddies might play on. And that way of thinking youve demonstrated with that post, "permitted to play", is one of the fastest ways possible to alienate any good playerbase, as you essentially just told them that you dont care about them at all.

    Secondly, work on your social skills and own attitude, thats a very important thing for any staff member that interacts with players. In subjects like this, small cases of bad temper might occur, as out of those players view the follwing is the case:
    1: One of their friends has been banned without solid proof.
    2: Their faction gets harrased.
    3: Youve just told them that you dont care about them.
    4: Youre defending a possibly corrupt staff member.
    So to be frank, they have a reason to be pissed, and that might reflect in the way they speak about those topics. So a one week ban for someone who is simply listing their experience and thought, as well as saying that they are sick of the way your staff has been treating them... well keep that up, and Kim Jong-un might ask you for private lessons on dictatorship.
     
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    If there are still issues with abuse then nothing was done after I raised the problem with you, hence a lack of action to fix what is clearly broken. I'm going to quote what FullMetalFox posted in the last negative review, as I couldn't state this better myself:
    The issue you raised was under review, I took a significant amount of my own time to look into that. It was when RabidBat recruited his script-kiddy buddy to attack the server with SQL Injection attempts, and malformed HTTP requests that I pulled the pin, cancelled the investigation and banned you and your fellow faction members which displayed a malicious attitude toward the server.

    If the same thing happened again, I would do the same. No disrespect to FullMetalFox, but I don't care what he thinks - he didn't know the full story.
     
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    The issue you raised was under review, I took a significant amount of my own time to look into that. It was when RabidBat recruited his script-kiddy buddy to attack the server with SQL Injection attempts, and malformed HTTP requests that I pulled the pin, cancelled the investigation and banned you and your fellow faction members which displayed a malicious attitude toward the server.

    If the same thing happened again, I would do the same. No disrespect to FullMetalFox, but I don't care what he thinks - he didn't know the full story.
    You keep bringing this up but I have no idea what you're on about. There was no scripting or hacking attempt by any of us and we definitely didn't recruit someone to attack your server. I'd love to see some hard evidence that we were related to something like this, other than some easily forged "chat" quotes or a random article about some hacker getting arrested. Heck while you're at it, I'd love to see the hard evidence that I scripted or exploited the game, which is why I was banned in the first place. Unfortunately however, you guys never seem to have the hard evidence for anything, yet still throw your bans and accusations down anyway.
     
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    I'd love to see some hard evidence that we were related to something like this, other than some easily forged "chat" quotes or a random article about some hacker getting arrested.
    Ask RabitBat about Halcon / Freak. Trevor posted on his YT about my server, and a user named Halcon.tv posted a reply - something along the lines of "nice SSL vuln, faggot". At that point I checked my Apache logs and saw a lot of activity coming from a halcon.tv address - the SQL injection, et cetera exploit attempts. I found halcon / freaks IRC and asked him about it - and he said his mate RabidBat had mentioned that he was having trouble on my server. I never mentioned Rabid to halcon, he volunteered that info. I documented my version of events here: https://goo.gl/TAot0P

    Go ask him yourself.
     
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    Ask RabitBat about Halcon. Trevor posted on his YT about my server, and a user named Halcon.tv posted a reply - something along the lines of "nice SSL vuln, faggot". At that point I checked my Apache logs and saw a lot of activity coming from a halcon.tv address - the SQL injection, et cetera exploit attempts. I found halcon's IRC and asked him about it - and he said his mate RabidBat had mentioned that he was having trouble on my server. I never mentioned Rabid to halcon, he volunteered that info.

    Go ask him yourself.
    And how do you know that this wasn't some random dude who had come across the video from the forums where Rabid originally posted the video links, or possibly somebody who had it out for you and took the opportunity to attack your server? There is no evidence to say that this was Rabids doing or responsibility. There are a lot of crazy and bored people on the internet that don't really have anything better to do than cause mischief, and if this damaged your server then that sucks, however it wasn't any of our faults so please stop using it as a reason to say that we are bad people.
     
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    Im going to stay impartial to both sides on the review side of things. But I have to respond to this, sorry Mike:

    RE: privilege vs right - welcome to the real world - every publicly exposed service run by private concerns ultimately have the same underlying philosophy. "The management reserves the right to refuse entry" - ever seen that anywhere? Of course you have - Do you go picket stores with that sign on the window?

    I don't HAVE to let anyone play on my server - it's MINE - I paid for it, I put the effort in keeping it running - so if you're playing on it, it's because I'm ALLOWING you to. Start being a problem and I'm WELL WITHIN my rights to remove you.

    I don't understand why people such as yourself find that concept so offensive.
    A pub landlord owns a pub. They pay for it. It is well within there rights to be a dick to there customers and bar them all. But its a bit bad for business isnt it... And it'd turn into a pretty quiet boring pub.

    Not trying to flame, but you seem to be confused as to why people get annoyed by concepts like it.
     
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    And how do you know that this wasn't some random dude who had come across the video from the forums where Rabid originally posted the video links, or possibly somebody who had it out for you and took the opportunity to attack your server? There is no evidence to say that this was Rabids doing or responsibility. There are a lot of crazy and bored people on the internet that don't really have anything better to do than cause mischief, and if this damaged your server then that sucks, however it wasn't any of our faults so please stop using it as a reason to say that we are bad people.
    If you read more of the posts below the one I linked, you would see because someone who chose the username "freak" joined my IRC and said "SSL vuln much faggot?" - I run the IRC server he joined, and as such I was privy to the IP address he used to connect with. That IP address resolved to halcon.com.au. I probed that address and discovered an IRC server running. I joined it. Someone named "Freak" was in the default channel. Then I asked them about the SSL vuln, and so forth - and then he asked if it was RabitBat who I had banned.

    I'm not making this up, and I have no reason to. An angry, spiteful player recruited someone to attack my server and I did what more than most people would or could have done to find out who and why. I found answers which satisfied me as to the source.
     

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    Funny how Kl0's alt attacks everyone and yet is in a faction called Peace Keepers...
     
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    Funny how Kl0's alt attacks everyone and yet is in a faction called Peace Keepers...
    Well if no one can fight due to their lack of military ships then they're technically keeping the peace? At least I imagine that's Klowns way of thinking.
     

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    So Mike why do you think if someone broke into your server and tried to hack it and you appeared on their IRC they would tell anything even closely remote to the truth?

    Seriously you will take the words from an account on a random IRC over your own player and multiple at that?
     
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    So Mike why do you think if someone broke into your server and tried to hack it and you appeared on their IRC they would tell anything even closely remote to the truth?

    Seriously you will take the words from an account on a random IRC over your own player and multiple at that?
    Firstly, they didn't break in - they were probing it for a way in. As I stated in my post, there was a potential vulnerability in that I was allowing SSLv3 - which could have been a potential problem if someone was able to sniff traffic (unlikely). Freak who had probed my server for vulns probably decided to antagonise me, in an attempt to appear more knowledgeable, by posting in my IRC (in case I didn't see the YT comment I guess). I find it unlikely that when I joined freak's IRC he would pull a random name out of a hat and ask me if it was RabidBat that I had banned.

    10:03:04] <Freak> are you k1own btw
    [10:03:07] <mikesheen> no
    [10:03:10] <mikesheen> I'm mike
    [10:03:13] <Freak> is that mark
    [10:03:16] <mikesheen> no
    [10:03:20] <mikesheen> I'm mike sheen
    [10:03:28] <Freak> -_-
    [10:03:31] <mikesheen> I own the servers, k10wn runs the starmade server
    [10:04:03] <Freak> oh well i was called cause mr k1own banned one of my friends and his friends for hacking
    [10:04:11] <Freak> but apprently they were not doing so
    [10:04:30] <Freak> so thats who i am
    [10:04:30] <mikesheen> one was banned for potential hacking, then unbanned
    [10:04:39] <Freak> rabidbat?
    [10:05:04] <Freak> he had mentioned his stuff was deleted or something ( i dont play starmade )

    As I have already established, this was not just some random - I did the legwork and joined the dots, I don't make such accusations without being satisfied myself there is proof.
     
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    Firstly, they didn't break it - they were probing it for a way in. As I stated in my post, there was a potential vulnerability in that I was allowing SSLv3 - which could have been a potential problem if someone was able to sniff traffic (unlikely). Freak who had probed my server for vulns probably decided to antagonise me, in an attempt to appear more knowledgeable, by posting in my IRC (in case I didn't see the YT comment I guess). I find it unlikely that when I joined freak's IRC he would pull a random name out of a hat and ask me if it was RabidBat that I had banned.

    10:03:04] <Freak> are you k1own btw
    [10:03:07] <mikesheen> no
    [10:03:10] <mikesheen> I'm mike
    [10:03:13] <Freak> is that mark
    [10:03:16] <mikesheen> no
    [10:03:20] <mikesheen> I'm mike sheen
    [10:03:28] <Freak> -_-
    [10:03:31] <mikesheen> I own the servers, k10wn runs the starmade server
    [10:04:03] <Freak> oh well i was called cause mr k1own banned one of my friends and his friends for hacking
    [10:04:11] <Freak> but apprently they were not doing so
    [10:04:30] <Freak> so thats who i am
    [10:04:30] <mikesheen> one was banned for potential hacking, then unbanned
    [10:04:39] <Freak> rabidbat?
    [10:05:04] <Freak> he had mentioned his stuff was deleted or something ( i dont play starmade )

    As I have already established, this was not just some random - I did the legwork and joined the dots, I don't make such accusations without being satisfied myself there is proof.
    Wait wait wait so this guy didn't actually harm your server? He informed you of a vulnerability and didn't actually do anything with it? If he was asked to attack your server, why in gods name would he help you increase its security and not act on a weakness?
     
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    Wait wait wait so this guy didn't actually harm your server? He told you about a vulnerability and didn't actually do anything with it? If he was asked to attack your server, why in gods name would he help you increase its security and not act on a weakness?
    I'm really growing tired of this. I disabled SSLv3 as a precaution, SO I DID ACT. This is all documented in the posts you obviously HAVE NOT READ. He didn't succeed with any attack because the vuln he found could not be exploited by him.

    Oh, and if "help you increase its security" means posting on YT and my IRC "nice SSL vuln, faggot" with no mention of details, then that's a pretty poor attempt at help.

    Unsolicited penetration testing is not help. It's actually a crime.
     
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    This log does not actually confirm his friend was Rabid you know that right?

    He could be fully aware of your servers population and simply be misdirecting you while stuffing his face with popcorn.
     
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    This log does not actually confirm his friend was Rabid you know that right?

    He could be fully aware of your servers population and simply be misdirecting you while stuffing his face with popcorn.
    Keep in mind everything this Freak person mentioned had already been publicly posted on the Mikelands forum, so he could have easily gotten the information he needed off of there.
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    I'm really growing tired of this. I disabled SSLv3 as a precaution, SO I DID ACT. This is all documented in the posts you obviously HAVE NOT READ. He didn't succeed with any attack because the vuln he found could not be exploited by him.

    Oh, and if "help you increase its security" means posting on YT and my IRC "nice SSL vuln, faggot" with no mention of details, then that's a pretty poor attempt at help.

    Unsolicited penetration testing is not help. It's actually a crime.
    Okay so why would Freak bother committing a crime that didn't even impact your server? How does anyone benefit from that? The jigsaw pieces aren't fitting together.
     
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