THE FUNDAMENTAL FUCKING ELEMENT OF PVP SHIPBUILDING IS !!! M A S S D I S T R I B U T I O N !!! YOU DUMBASS. WE CANNOT SET A MASS DISTRIBUTION BECAUSE IT WAS LOCKED IN 2.0. THERE WILL NEVER BE PVP SHIPS, ONLY PVP SHIP, BECAUSE YOU CANNOT HAVE A VARIETY OF DESIGNS YOU SCUMBAG. IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT PVP SHIPBUILDING IS SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT.
Here's one of my ship dingbat:
RAI Arbalest This is what a pvp ship meant; tradeoffs and optimization, neither of which is in the game, which you apparently figured out already, because they're not in any of your "tips".
I fucking love how you frame this, as if i need your god damn advice on how to build pvp ships, because clearly anyone complaining just doesn't know any better. This is like people complaining that guns were removed from call of duty and you're going "Hurr durr just stab them, you can still play!" The thing i liked about the game is gone, so i'm not playing and neither is anyone else. Stop making excuses for this shit. People are not going to throw away their entire personality and way of thinking just to support a failing developer; either schine produces something people want or they fuck off. Defending this practice is just encouraging them to dig their graves deeper than they already are.
Not. Fucking. Here. To. Suck. Off. Developer. If people don't enjoy a game, they don't force themselves to swallow it, they fucking leave, idiot.
And i NEVER complained about anything being frustrating so stop projecting on people's posts; You're not fucking psychic, stop telling me what i think.
Realize i am talking about BUILDING pvp ships, which now has no variety in it. Realize that with no variety all pvp fights are mirror matchups that quickly become stale. Slap yourself for making this much of an idiot post.
Every. Fucking. PVP ship. Had. Interior. This is bullshit made up by morons like you that apparently have no concept of how to build functional combat ships. Suck my god damn
RAI Arbalest . This ship has a ton of empty space (never finished interior) and the entire observation deck on top of it is completely empty of systems. It still pushed massive raw stats; 400k dps, 1.8mil shield hp/40k regen, 2.0twr with ion, scanner and overdrive on a 12k mass ship, because it wasn't plastered in heavy armor everywhere. The reason you can't have empty space on pvp ships is because you suck.
NO YOU FUCKING CANT.
The cost of interior is the armor surrounding it, which is just as expensive now as it was before, in fact it is WORSE because you can no longer compensate for higher mass by raising power+thrust, it just makes your dumb ship slower now, and because you're already forced to have a lot more empty space, you need a lot more external armor which already screws up your mass distribution(ie more forced armor) so you're just piling more problems on top of existing problems.
This is why i can't stand you god damn troglodytes; PVPERS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO HELP YOU ACHIEVE THIS FOR YEEEARS.
But no! None of the suggestions that would actually help you get the thing you want are good enough, because they came from PVP they must have some ulterior motive trying to keep us down!!! The only way we can get what we want is to shit all over PVP, like by forcing everyone to have lots of empty space on their ships, instead of simply LOWERING THE FUCKING MASS COST OF ARMOR TO BE LESS INSANE. And let's make sure only OUR concerns are ever brought up or discussed, like let's say someone complains about PVP building being reduced to a to-do list we'll just circle the wagons and tell them to like it or fuck off, or we can pretend to not understand what they're complaining about and ask them to explain even though they've done that a hundred times already. See i can pretend to be psychic too!
Realize that by defining ships through the chamber tree you have REMOVED SHIP DESIGN FROM BUILDING. You might as well just reward "stat points" based on a ships mass and have a slider were you allocate stat points to dps, shield hp and thrust. Not that there's a point to that since you'll want the same distribution regardless of ship.
It also doesn't change the fact that no matter how you specialize your ship through chambers
the ship can fit the exact same loadout in terms of shielding, thrust and weapons no matter how its specialized. You might not get damage/defense multipliers but every ship, regardless of role, can fit the same shit.
Then why aren't you playing space engineers? Why is noone playing starmade anymore? Maybe you should realize that simply having X isn't fun for the vast majority of people, and i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that YOU aren't having fun either, that's why you're white knighting on the forums; to try and distract yourself from how you're not having fun in the game. People aren't going to start liking something they don't like just because you tell them to. They're just going to LEAVE, which is what they DID which is why you are ALONE.
Also this is NOT incompatible with PVP building. I'd be all for a game thats based in mass distribution and still allows logical components like reactors and chambers, sign me the fuck up for tekkit in space. I just think ingame performance is more important than overly complex systems like fluid and pipe simulations (one of the things that tanks space engineers) but if it can be done without making combat a lagfest, im fine with it.
You're completely retarded if you think this will ever matter.
- Beam turrets dominate everything and just target whatever they want
- Manual aiming you're happy as long as you're hitting. Aim for center mass and try to lead; noone is a good enough shot to target independent subsystems on a moving target.
- Most ships will be long and narrow and between equal players you'll be staring at each other from the front = all systems are going to be arranged behind each other, you literally learn nothing
- 2.0 forces the two most critical systems, reactor and stabilizers, into the extremities of the ship. You'll always know where they are and they're the best targets so whats the point?
And i'm sure if you have no understanding of ship building, this might seem different to you.
What the hell was your point with this drivel? You seriously think s9meone who has been playing for 4 years, and is livid because the entire core mechanic of the game that was their whole reason for playing got patched out, is going to start loving the dumpster fire just because you TELL THEM TO? What kind of sissy ass barney logic is that??? Do you really think telling people with legitimate grievances to go fuck themselves is going to help anyone? You think the devs are going to be better off if all the people with complaints leave? Those complaints aren't going to vanish and a lot of people who aren't playing the game, aren't going to play the game unless these problems get FIXED, but the only thing that matters to white knighting scum is that your shitty little echo chamber is polite and friendly, while the game crashes and burns.
How do you think Schema will be doing in 10 years looking back at this failed project? Do you think he'll remember the time where he almost made it as space-notch as a good time surrounded by cheerful and loyal forum scrubs, or the biggest mistake of his life?
MacThule And why did you like this drivel? I think this guy can at least plead innocence on not having a fucking clue what PVP is, but you've damn well been here long enough to know what we're complaining about, and that our complaints are perfectly legitimate. Do you just like everything positive towards the devs, no matter how stupid and condescending it is? Bloody white knight.
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