block hp increase, since shields are hard to make

[Leanson]

in a 10k mass ship you would not be jamming for long, giving if you are attacking your power would be going down as well, plus your shield rechargers would eat up your power as well.

 

[Snk]

Fights from 2km away with jammers are boring. If that's what you want combat to be balanced to, then have fun going against nearly everyone else's preferences...

Not at all. That's within the view distance

 

[Ithirahad]

Not at all. That's within the view distance

Yes, but far nonetheless. Most engagements I see happen within 1000 meters... But IDK, I don't do a whole ton of combat.

 

[Snk]

Yes, but far nonetheless. Most engagements I see happen within 1000 meters... But IDK, I don't do a whole ton of combat.

I do, and I've always had a lot of fun. The distance really depends on your play style and ship, honestly. I've never had my shields go down in a couple seconds. It goes out fast, yes, but I like to maneuver so much it's never really bothered me. Unless it's two people standing still and firing at each other, combat lasts a good length.

Fun fact: Scanners disable radar jammers.

 

[aceface]

hmm, so leanson what do you think the hp should be of systems and armour?

i'd say 1000hp for system and 4000 hp for advanced armour.
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I do, and I've always had a lot of fun. The distance really depends on your play style and ship, honestly. I've never had my shields go down in a couple seconds. It goes out fast, yes, but I like to maneuver so much it's never really bothered me. Unless it's two people standing still and firing at each other, combat lasts a good length.

Fun fact: Scanners disable radar jammers.

wait what?

 

[Megacrafter127]

hmm, so leanson what do you think the hp should be of systems and armour?

i'd say 1000hp for system and 4000 hp for advanced armour.

The maximum possible hp is 256. This is due to the hp being stored in a single byte only.

 

[aceface]

D: maybe decrease weapon and shield values then? xD

 

[Snk]

hmm, so leanson what do you think the hp should be of systems and armour?

i'd say 1000hp for system and 4000 hp for advanced armour.
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wait what?

They actually do, if you get within like 1500 meters you deactivate the cloak/radar jam.

 

[Sven_The_Slayer]

D: maybe decrease weapon and shield values then? xD

It's already been stated that weapons cannot go any lower. The smallest combo gun, cannon+cannon deals one damage per shot, weapons cannot go any lower.

The argument here is hull needs to be stronger because shields are hard to get, this really isn't intended to be true. There are two bugs that prevent shields from being easily acquired. 1) Larimar asteroids are extremely rare 2) asteroids don't regenerate properly. These will be fixed eventually and until then you can still get shields from planets, I found one that at least 4 of the plates can be strip mined for shield components so I have no problem acquiring shields in my universe.

 

[Leanson]

It's already been stated that weapons cannot go any lower. The smallest combo gun, cannon+cannon deals one damage per shot, weapons cannot go any lower.

The argument here is hull needs to be stronger because shields are hard to get, this really isn't intended to be true. There are two bugs that prevent shields from being easily acquired. 1) Larimar asteroids are extremely rare 2) asteroids don't regenerate properly. These will be fixed eventually and until then you can still get shields from planets, I found one that at least 4 of the plates can be strip mined for shield components so I have no problem acquiring shields in my universe.

As long as we can get shields when the bug is fixed will fix the problem and will end this thread. Would it be possible to increase the armor rating then, or attribute more to the armor rating of more hull blocks are adjacent

 

[Ithirahad]

Weapons CAN go lower - Not the base damage, but the scaling up with system size can be reduced.

 

[Winterhome]

Weapons CAN go lower - Not the base damage, but the scaling up with system size can be reduced.

Do you remember what happened last time we did that?

 

[Ithirahad]

Do you remember what happened last time we did that?

We didn't nerf shields to compensate, did we?

 

[Leanson]

With out a weapon system like from the depths where other blocks add to a cannon characteristics and weapon performance. SM weapons will be defined by its volume. Nerfing weapons will only make them bigger. Can we work on functionality and performance instead of size.

 

[Winterhome]

We didn't nerf shields to compensate, did we?

Regardless of what you nerf... People will ALWAYS exploit weapons to have the highest power potential possible.

 

[Leanson]

Regardless of what you nerf... People will ALWAYS exploit weapons to have the highest power potential possible.

Yup this guy.

 

[Keptick]

Regardless of what you nerf... People will ALWAYS exploit weapons to have the highest power potential possible.

Not really an exploit. Just sacrificing tank for gank :p

 

[Winterhome]

Not really an exploit. Just sacrificing tank for gank :p

He's talking about nerfing large groups of weapons with diminishing returns, and nerfing shields to compensate.

That'd just be a MAJOR buff to checkerboard spam guns again.

 

[Ithirahad]

He's talking about nerfing large groups of weapons with diminishing returns, and nerfing shields to compensate.

That'd just be a MAJOR buff to checkerboard spam guns again.

...Heat mechanic to compensate? Maybe? Kind of complicated and anoying, but...

 

[Winterhome]

...Heat mechanic to compensate? Maybe? Kind of complicated and anoying, but...

If you have to make it more complicated, then your nerf didn't work.