Thoughts about the recent trailers and equalty between shipbuilders.

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    A bit of a let down to already see this type of thread popping up after a very subtle, nicely done trailer. This forum, youtube, twitch, and countless other social media platforms provide ample opportunity to express your artistic flare and creations. Lets not start blaming others for the lack of exposure you or those you champion desperately crave.
     
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    take it easy, before you complain about MF. Ask yourself, have you record any videos for starmade before?
    I do record tutorials for the players in my server, I understand the time and efforts needed for making videos
    And think about that, MF is just more experienced for doing this, so schema let them do this short stream trailer
    If you and your server mates can upload 2-3 or maybe just 1 video everyday, maybe schema will let you do the next short trailer
     

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    A bit of a let down to already see this type of thread popping up after a very subtle, nicely done trailer. This forum, youtube, twitch, and countless other social media platforms provide ample opportunity to express your artistic flare and creations. Lets not start blaming others for the lack of exposure you or those you champion desperately crave.
    the issue is MF have had this sort of thing for awhile. A large amount of the community feels ignored over MF and that area. and it would be alright if MF wasn't so obnoxious about it. It seems they think they are the centre of the community, and I know alot of people agree with me.
     
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    take it easy, before you complain about MF. Ask yourself, have you record any videos for starmade before?
    This is quite possibly the most excruciating, fallacy ridden argument I've ever heard.

    It is also one I hear every time this pops up
     

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    My experience has shown them to pretend to be friendly and open to outiders while certain higher-ups among them are elitist af. Furthermore, their server is so overmoderated it causes me literal physical pain to even think about.
    I can unfortunately confirm this statement.
     
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    I'm speaking for myself here.

    Whenever I need something from the community, I go to those who have shown to me that they are reliable and available. People who have initiative, who reach out to myself and others.
    I want the best of the best, people who can do the job, do it well, and make themselves available and easy to contact.

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    people on elwyn are nice and helpful, like jan_spaceman ,

    what I am trying to say is that MF isn't the only server out there, and lets face the facts, calbiri tells Tomino_sama and people on MF as well as bench, calbiri and others play on MF, why MF, why not EE or other really good build servers and stuff? I mean it is kinda unfair to all of the other people, if you are playing on a server then you should go to a lot of servers not just stay on one.
     
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    people on elwyn are nice and helpful, like jan_spaceman ,

    what I am trying to say is that MF isn't the only server out there, and lets face the facts, calbiri tells Tomino_sama and people on MF as well as bench, calbiri and others play on MF, why MF, why not EE or other really good build servers and stuff? I mean it is kinda unfair to all of the other people, if you are playing on a server then you should go to a lot of servers not just stay on one.
    At least on the big and well known ones. No need to look at EVERY server
     
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    durrrr durrr durrrr

    EDIT: Bench,Kupu ,Duke and others listed number of reason WHY an WHY NOT.
    dont moan
     

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    people on elwyn are nice and helpful, like jan_spaceman ,

    what I am trying to say is that MF isn't the only server out there, and lets face the facts, calbiri tells Tomino_sama and people on MF as well as bench, calbiri and others play on MF, why MF, why not EE or other really good build servers and stuff? I mean it is kinda unfair to all of the other people, if you are playing on a server then you should go to a lot of servers not just stay on one.
    I like MF and their builders, but I wouldn't use their ships for pvp on EE.
     
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    I can unfortunately confirm this statement.
    I've heard rumors of an incident in chat where said higher-ups flouted their "immunity" to the rules and the mods present basically didn't do anything about it, but I wasn't there personally so I didn't comment on it. However I've heard about it through MULTIPLE people.
     

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    take it easy, before you complain about MF. Ask yourself, have you record any videos for starmade before?
    I do record tutorials for the players in my server, I understand the time and efforts needed for making videos
    And think about that, MF is just more experienced for doing this, so schema let them do this short stream trailer
    If you and your server mates can upload 2-3 or maybe just 1 video everyday, maybe schema will let you do the next short trailer
    I'd rather post no videos at all than a video showing someone copy/pasting an engine. Sure, there are a few better videos of MF, but let's face it. They prioritize quantity over quality.
     
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    take it easy, before you complain about MF. Ask yourself, have you record any videos for starmade before?
    I do record tutorials for the players in my server, I understand the time and efforts needed for making videos
    And think about that, MF is just more experienced for doing this, so schema let them do this short stream trailer
    If you and your server mates can upload 2-3 or maybe just 1 video everyday, maybe schema will let you do the next short trailer
    dude, lets face the facts, channels like tenk11kamikaza and chriss the Nightbringer and Zanaten deserve more subscribers then MF youtube channel, MF don't post anything about the development of the game, they posted the reviews of the "dev build" after the actual build came out! every time there is a big new dev build criss the nightbringer reviews it in an orderly fashion, granted he doesn't release as many video's and MF does, even tho MF isn't posting that many videos any more, his videos are well structured and well edited, MF's are well... a mess. From what I have seen, calbiri, bench and other schine members play on MF server, and on some occasions, calbiri has told tom about some stuff that they haven't told the community, for me this is wrong, people could be playing on other, better servers than this, it has become like an exclusive club.

    and Comr4de I have heard that too. this is unfair on the community, and have you noticed that There wasn't even a compition to make the tutorial station, they just got dalmont to do it, this is totally unfair us all and it MUST stop
     
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    dude, lets face the facts, channels like tenk11kamikaza and chriss the Nightbringer and Zanaten deserve more subscribers then MF youtube channel, MF don't post anything about the development of the game, they posted the reviews of the "dev build" after the actual build came out! every time there is a big new dev build criss the nightbringer reviews it in an orderly fashion, granted he doesn't release as many video's and MF does, even tho MF isn't posting that many videos any more, his videos are well structured and well edited, MF's are well... a mess. From what I have seen, calbiri, bench and other schine members play on MF server, and on some occasions, calbiri has told tom about some stuff that they haven't told the community, for me this is wrong, people could be playing on other, better servers than this, it has become like an exclusive club.

    and Comr4de I have heard that too. this is unfair on the community, and have you noticed that There wasn't even a compition to make the tutorial station, they just got dalmont to do it, this is totally unfair us all and it MUST stop
    Chriss definitely deservers more subs and views. It's obvious that he puts at least 10 times the effort in every single minute of his videos. And, yes, it's unfair that Dalmont gets to do the station as if there weren't people who can POSSIBLY do it better.
     
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    OP's got a point.
    A lot of us have seen this before, seen what happens when a developer starts focusing on one group of players.

    A lot of gamers have this unhealthy hero-worship of game devs, and will do anything to get the devs to notice Them. This often involves pumping out as much content as possible on Youtube, and setting up a false sense of "community interaction" by inviting other, non-affiliated players to their videos to make it look like They are a major and central part of the player base.
    Devs see this, and jump right on it, as it free's Them from having to do or pay for any real PR or advertising Themselves.

    And when this happens, the devs usually stop listening to their audience, and just listen to the one group in question. Because it's easier.
    Eventually, this small group will convince the devs that They represent the thoughts and feelings of all the audience, and that the devs need only come to Them for feedback on the game itself.

    And then the only feedback that reaches the devs, is just the preference of that one, small, group of shills.

    Now the only way to get feedback to the devs, is through the shills, and if You're not licking the shill's boots, or if the shill just doesn't personally agree with Your point of view, then Your feedback either doesn't make it to the devs, or is hand-waved away by the devs, because said feedback didn't come through the shill, and as such is considered unimportant.

    And I guarantee You those shills are profiting by it. Now players may feel compelled to play on Their server, or post on Their forums, or contact Them with balance opinions. They become middle men. Very opinionated middle men.

    I'm speaking for myself here.
    I'm rarely going to sift through the entire community (I'm busy, it's just the truth)
    This is where it always starts.

    Guess what Duke? You don't have to "sift through the entire community", the entire community is rather small. just keep an eye on Your forums, listen to Your moderation staff if any topics appear to be trending, and remember that all player should be listened to, not just the ones who crap up the youtube search results with daily "content". Can't do it Yourself? Then don't. Hire more staff, or at least put a heavy emphasis on interaction only at Your official forum.

    Think about it, players like this go above and beyond the normal habits of normal players, You already acknowledged this. Which means They are an exception, not the rule. You never base Your work on the exception.
    And no, They do not represent the player base as a whole.

    And really, why should We the players have to dedicate ourselves to Your product like a bunch of cultists, just to get You to listen to us?
    We're players / customers, Your supposed to be listening to us, to keep Your product from failing.

    Or You can not listen to any player feedback. It is Your game, right? Just do Your own thang, mang.

    No developer should use fan generated content as official advertising, outreach, or as a news outlet, it creates bias.

    Look, I'm a Mechwarrior junkie, which means I was stupid enough to fall for PGI's lies and support Mechwarrior : Online. Now, PGI may suck balls, but the one thing pretty much all mechwarrior's agree on is that some of the worst damage happened at the hands of that game's shill: The "No Guts, No Galaxy" team.
    They crapped out videos constantly, got the favor (and eventually and covertly the payroll) of the devs, because They were a massive and constant source of cheap advertising, and eventually the devs refused to listen to anyone else but NGNG.
    Official contests, polls, balance changes, Etc, started getting filtered through NGNG and Their own agenda.
    Now, if You want Your voice heard You have to suck NGNG's various naughty bits dry before anyone will pay attention.


    So yeah, OP's got a point. The devs already hang out on Mushroom Fleet doing play alongs and QnA's, MF's doing the trailer with MF ships, We usually have to sit through MF videos for offical info on weapon and system changes, and then there's threads where Tomino will come into and dump all over the majority's opinion, just because it's not His opinion.
     
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    people mention MushroomFleet a lot..
    but they dont know that only 5-6 people on MF are involved with this stuff (trailers,super secret stuff.etc.)
    I am on MF because they were the first ones to accept me there.
    and it just so happens that 2-3 best builders (by votes) in the community are playing on MF.
    We are ready to jump on the server and do anything devs ask of us,build a specific thing in a day that they need very badly. film this or that,if something need to be tested,we are there..and always in contact,24/7 we are ready.

    why didnt I use ships from other people in the first trailer.
    well first i am under NDA,meaning i cant tell anyone about it.
    second,i would have to get approval from the other builders in the community to use their ships,because you never know.. they might complain.
    third,its convenient that we have great builders..and i can contact them in minutes ..and ask them for help.
    MF is a friendly community,players are oblivious to whats happening when we do our secret stuff,but they are ready to help.
    2 years on it..I never saw one single incident

    so in conclusion,we are dedicated to be here for devs 24/7
    the fact is..we are the only ones capable of doing stuff i listed above

    and the truth is,its very stressfull,hard,sometimes painfull..
    but we love this game,and we offer our skills to make this game better.
     
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    I've heard rumors of an incident in chat where said higher-ups flouted their "immunity" to the rules and the mods present basically didn't do anything about it, but I wasn't there personally so I didn't comment on it. However I've heard about it through MULTIPLE people.
    Wait wait wait, their immunity to the rules on MF or here?
     
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    Wait wait wait, their immunity to the rules on MF or here?
    From what I heard, which was corroborated by three other people, was that they went into site chat and start spamming/flooding chat. When someone told them to stop they responded with "rules don't apply to us xD" or something of that nature and kept going. Mods got on but it still didn't stop.

    I like MF and their builders, but I wouldn't use their ships for pvp on EE.
    Might have something to do with PvP being banned in 7/8s of the universe :rolleyes:

    OP's got a point.
    A lot of us have seen this before, seen what happens when a developer starts focusing on one group of players.
    Fun fact: Schema used to hang out in the /vg/ space voxel games thread. The reason it died off and became space engineers general is because he stopped posting in there and focused everything on leddit. But I digress.

    Look, I'm a Mechwarrior junkie, which means I was stupid enough to fall for PGI's lies and support Mechwarrior : Online. Now, PGI may suck balls, but the one thing pretty much all mechwarrior's agree on is that some of the worst damage happened at the hands of that game's shill: The "No Guts, No Galaxy" team.
    They crapped out videos constantly, got the favor (and eventually and covertly the payroll) of the devs, because They were a massive and constant source of cheap advertising, and eventually the devs refused to listen to anyone else but NGNG.
    Official contests, polls, balance changes, Etc, started getting filtered through NGNG and Their own agenda.
    Now, if You want Your voice heard You have to suck NGNG's various naughty bits dry before anyone will pay attention.
    You're fucking amazing. I wanted to cite MW:O but I didn't know too much about that drama so I didn't mention that either.
     
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    the fact is..we are the only ones capable of doing stuff i listed above
    One problem, I doubt it.
    OFC a single person is NEVER able to be available 24/7.
    However, if you remove all other subcommunities with this, you can also remove the MF-community because the same applies; No single member of MF is available 24/7.
    And if you only apply this to the staff of a subcommunity or even the subcommunity as a whole, MF is not the only one remaining.
    Please, do tell, to what group are you applying the availability condition.
     
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