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This was going to be a long an detailed post about how all of you, and myself, are acting like fucking entitled idiots but I feel that we've had enough of those so I'm going to simplify it down into something that I'm sure everyone can finish reading before getting overly self rightous and dismissing the whole thing.
Glossary about sections. If you have a question the answer may be in here:
This was going to be a long an detailed post about how all of you, and myself, are acting like fucking entitled idiots but I feel that we've had enough of those so I'm going to simplify it down into something that I'm sure everyone can finish reading before getting overly self rightous and dismissing the whole thing.
- Moderation as a whole is fucked, a poor decision was made to introduce large changes at a time when the communities own history tells us tensions are garuanteed to be high, this has escalated peoples emotions to the point that even otherwise good changes (Like IMO the mentor system) have served only to further divide people. Warning points too have effectivley ceased to exist, people are punished or outright banned without explanation or warning. ̶ ̶I̶ ̶p̶e̶r̶s̶o̶n̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶a̶m̶ ̶p̶e̶r̶m̶a̶-̶b̶a̶n̶n̶e̶d̶ ̶f̶r̶o̶m̶ ̶c̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶0̶ ̶w̶a̶r̶n̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶s̶.̶ Apparently I had my chat permission removed by accident when I was de-mentored...
̶A̶d̶d̶i̶t̶i̶o̶n̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶I̶ ̶w̶a̶s̶ ̶n̶e̶v̶e̶r̶ ̶w̶a̶r̶n̶e̶d̶,̶ ̶n̶e̶v̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶o̶l̶d̶ ̶w̶h̶y̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶m̶o̶d̶e̶r̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶t̶e̶a̶m̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶i̶v̶e̶l̶y̶ ̶i̶g̶n̶o̶r̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶m̶y̶ ̶a̶t̶t̶e̶m̶p̶t̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶t̶a̶c̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶m̶.̶ However there is still the question as to why I was left unable to access chat despite the fact that I did inform at least one member of the dev team that I was unable to access chat. - People as a whole are even more fucked, half of the arguments these days are more about the argument that came before them than their supposed topic. Community members that acted rationally in the past now make sweeping statements and shout down anyone who disagrees. People are heavily divided and more self rightous than I can put into words. The PVP crowd as reached incel levels of self justification blaming any and all problems on their persecution by the RP crowd and the RP crowd itself is just as bad, seeming quieter for the moment only because these kinds of emotions tend to swing back and forth and its not their turn to be self rightous pricks right now.
- Dev communication is, if not deliberately malicious, certainly accidentally so (This section is likely biassed in favour of the devs)
-Schema himself says as little as possible and perhaps in a normal flamewar this would be the right idea but it comes of as high-horseing.
-Saber and Criss are perhaps doing the best job of maintaining a semblence of normalsy but have proven slow to react, sometimes you have to just do what everyones yelling at you do to even if you don't quite understand why yet (In regards to your threads guys)
-AndyP and Lancake, honestly I can't say those guys have explicitly done anything wrong (I've heard of comments surrounding Lancake but don't know enough to comment) but their relative absence from the forum, for which I can't blame them given its current state, leaves behind a sense that devs are not paying as much attention to issues as they should. Sometimes the mere presence of those orange names means more than anything they could say.
Glossary about sections. If you have a question the answer may be in here:
- The main big issue was the introduction of new rules right around a time of high tension, this created a feedback loop of already angry people being punished for it thus making them even angrier, this is likely a large contributor to the present rift between moderators and the rest of the community.
To be ultimately fair, asside from a few slightly overzealous messages in chat right after the family-friendly rules were proposed theres no evidence I can think of, of such rules actually being enforced, however the mere proposal, followed by the utter vagueness about its specifics, turned it into a spectre to which otherwise normal events could be attributed. This was ultimately just as bad as actual enforcement.
- The mentor system unfortunately acted as a multiplier to existing problems, unfortunate timing caused the mentors to be effectively put on a pedistal at a time when the community was not happy with the percieved authority, this turned the mentors themselves into points around which people could pool their emotions further increasing the fracturing of the community and escalating existing grivances.
- A big one here is the importance given to 'winning' arguments over actually reaching a useful conclusions. This has resulted in a lot of flaming and shouting, as well as demonization of perceived opponents on a level not seen since the mushroom fleet fiasco. As a result many arguments end in phyric victories where even the apparent winner has ultimately destroyed any useful gain in exchange for one more chance to spit on their 'opponent'
- Timmidity and sensationalisation has compounded other issues, many mundane discussions are never carried out because the people who would normally have them are trying to avoid getting dragged into the drama, this isn't helped by the fact that such threads are often dragged off topic by users who want to use them as a soapbox. As a result the general patter that would normally dilute the more inflamatory topics is largely absent.
- Mostly lack of communication, huge gaps leave people nothing to do but speculate and much of what is said only adds fuel to the fire. Initially more word from the devs would have banked the flames but at this point things have gone too far and no matter what is said its going to be construed as something else.
- Fragmentation of information, this is important because existing information acts as a brake on speculation and its very presence calms emotions to some extent. Unfortunately what information is out there is somwhat split, but more importantly community members are expected to remember pieces of information from months past. Guys if your going to mention something you said on the frontpage 3 months ago please actually provide a link to the post.
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