[VOTE] Should voting for Councilors require you to purchase the game?

[FlyingDebris]

I think that was thadius' point, that the game has been basically stalled in development and as a result has no drama.

 

[Keptick]

Game bought would be better tbh. Duke's system practically excludes anyone that doesn't frequent the forum (unless they bought the game). Other communities shouldn't be discriminated against, so having the same requirement for everyone is better imo.

 

[Valck]

excludes anyone that doesn't frequent the forum (unless they bought the game)

In other words, it includes everyone who has bought the game, plus those who haven't but participate on the forum.

 

[Keptick]

In other words, it includes everyone who has bought the game, plus those who haven't but participate on the forum.

excludes anyone that doesn't frequent the forum (unless they bought the game).

So yes, you basically rephrased what I already said. The point is: why should people from steam or other communities have to buy the game to vote, while forum users don't?

 

[Valck]

So yes, you basically rephrased what I already said.

I thought I made that clear when I said "in other words".

The point is: why should people from steam or other communities have to buy the game to vote, while forum users don't?

Why should Steam or other communities have a say in an election of the representatives of this community? I don't get to vote in your country's elections if I'm not a citizen of your country myself... just as I don't expect to vote for Steam community representatives.

 

[FlyingDebris]

Because they paid for starmade and as a result should have a say in its development.

 

[Lecic]

I thought I made that clear when I said "in other words".


Why should Steam or other communities have a say in an election of the representatives of this community? I don't get to vote in your country's elections if I'm not a citizen of your country myself... just as I don't expect to vote for Steam community representatives.

Because the Council represents all Starmade players, not just Starmade Dock users.

 

[Imagination01]

I understand that you, Imagination01, may be personally opposed to the suggestion since you haven't bought the game, but you need to look at the bigger picture.

And I understand you Lecic would may be personally in favor of this suggestion since you have brought the game, but you need to look at the bigger picture.

 

[Nauvran]

And I understand you Lecic would may be personally in favor of this suggestion since you have brought the game, but you need to look at the bigger picture.

So supporting the devs is a bad idea? Having more people buy the game so they can help improve the game they probably already really like is a bad idea? or am I getting something wrong here?

 

[Imagination01]

MOD EDIT: Snipped out reply related to deleted off topic conversation

The voting system needs to be an equal suffrage not a censitary suffrage

 

[Micro753]

Well looking at the voting thus far, I think that there is a very clear majority in favor of making voting for council more restrictive, and of the two restrictive choices, just one vote under a 3/4 majority in favor of a paywall. Maybe it's just me, but aside from a few very heated opponents (one of whom is involved in a good part of the reason this is even an issue), the community at large is almost unanimously in agreement.

Well, fifty two votes isn't much right now. Maybe this poll could be made a sticky so more people see it?

 

[FlyingDebris]

Well, fifty two votes isn't much right now. Maybe this poll could be made a sticky so more people see it?

I would not be against this getting stickied, DukeofRealms

MOD EDIT: Snipped out reply to removed off topic conversation

 

[Megacrafter127]

Maybe this poll could be made a sticky so more people see it?

Done

why should people from steam or other communities have to buy the game to vote, while forum users don't?

Why should everyone pay to vote, even if they can prove they are no alt, and the latest version of game is still available for free? (once that is no longer the case, I don't think there is a reason against having to purchase the game to vote)
Keep in mind there are people, who can't buy the game, even if they would like to[in most cases that is due to age]. Why should they be excluded, so long as they still have legal access to the latest version of the game?

 

[Lecic]

Why should everyone pay to vote, even if they can prove they are no alt, and the latest version of game is still available for free? (once that is no longer the case, I don't think there is a reason against having to purchase the game to vote)
Keep in mind there are people, who can't buy the game, even if they would like to[in most cases that is due to age]. Why should they be excluded, so long as they still have legal access to the latest version of the game?

Because it's the only way to prevent people from alt bombing the elections that doesn't discriminate against people from other websites or those trying to protect their privacy through TOR/VPNs/Sending a carrier pigeon to a guy in the Montana backwoods with directions for posting for you/etc.

 

[fire219]

Hey all, two little reminders:

1: Things have gotten a bit flame-y in here at times. I haven't issued any warning points, but just think before you hit "post".

2: I just deleted an offtopic discussion in here. This thread is for discussion about potential restrictions on council voting, not inter-faction drama. Keep on topic.

 

[Megacrafter127]

doesn't discriminate against people from other websites

If those other websites are official, a similar system could be integrated there. If they are not, there is nothing, that can be done about it. (analogy: would you trust medicine sold to you by a random guy on the street as much as medicine purchased at a pharmacy?)

or those trying to protect their privacy through TOR/VPNs/Sending a carrier pigeon to a guy in the Montana backwoods with directions for posting for you/etc

There is really nothing that I could reasonably say here, except that regardless of whether one chooses to use TOR or a VPN, purchasing the game will give one the right to vote in both proposed systems. (unless I am misunderstanding)

 

[Lecic]

If those other websites are official, a similar system could be integrated there. If they are not, there is nothing, that can be done about it. (analogy: would you trust medicine sold to you by a random guy on the street as much as medicine purchased at a pharmacy?)

Official meaning... what, exactly? Steam isn't "official." There's no way to Schine to implement a "is this person real?" system for Steam, afaik.

Purchased Only Voting is the best way to ensure that no one is discriminated against based on what site they frequent for their Starmade discussion, if they discuss it at all. It's the best way to make sure that the elections are never alt bombed, or at the very least, aren't alt bombed without giving Schine plenty of money in the process. Even with Duke's system, anyone who wanted to could rig the election. It'd just be harder.

 

[Aynslei]

With a points system people would either know the rules that decide if they can vote or not. If they knew the rules they (may) be able to work past the system. If they did not know how the system decided they may very well claim voter fraud in the event they feel disenfranchised.

A owner based voting system means all people have clear understanding of what decides whether they vote or not.

We also have no idea how effective Duke's system may perform considering it has not been used. Both choices are valid options to help prevent the abuse of the system, one is more concrete but far more unforgiving, the other is more loose and inviting but may not prove as effective a deterrent.

It is still far to early to make any claim of how the polling has decided, but so far I think we all agree at least one form of this system is in every-bodies best interest to be implemented.

Keep up the civil discussions and lets hear your voice on the matter.

 

[Megacrafter127]

Official meaning... what, exactly?

In this case, official just means Schine can make certain demands of the site in question, to either implement such a system or prevent that system from being subverted by the owner of that site.

Steam isn't "official." There's no way to Schine to implement a "is this person real?" system for Steam, afaik.

It may not be as easy as here on starmadedock, but it is not impossible.

Purchased Only Voting is the best way to ensure that no one is discriminated against based on what site they frequent for their Starmade discussion, if they discuss it at all.

While true, it also discriminates against those unable to make a purchase on the internet.
Although the point system would also discriminate against those, the point system would still leave a way for those to vote.

 

[Lecic]

We also have no idea how effective Duke's system may perform considering it has not been used. Both choices are valid options to help prevent the abuse of the system, one is more concrete but far more unforgiving, the other is more loose and inviting but may not prove as effective a deterrent.

It would be harder than the current system, yes, but it would still be possible to make fake accounts and rig the election.