Perhaps there should be a "Caution Mature Content" button when entering certain forum pages or even Posters could self moderate by being given the option to state that their post will be intended for mature audiences?
age forums are an idea, but ultimately futile unless forced verification by ID.
man·ner·ism
ˈmanəˌrizəm/ noun
noun: mannerism; plural noun: mannerisms; noun: Mannerism
1.
a habitual gesture or way of speaking or behaving; an idiosyncrasy.
"learning the great man's speeches and studying his mannerisms"
synonyms: idiosyncrasy, quirk, oddity, foible, trait, peculiarity, habit, characteristic, tic
"she built an act around the mannerisms she'd picked up from her mother and her aunts"
Exactly my point. In some western cultures "cunt" is a an obscene/vulgar term for genitalia, in others it's a pronoun coequally used to refer to an individual. You obviously come from the former, but Should educate yourself about the latter.
A similar foible involves left-handed handshakes in the middle east(an insult possibly worthy of mortal combat), or saying "jesus" around hardcore bible thumpers(taking name in vain). Big planet, many cultures, WHICH ONE IS RIGHT?(if any?)
disagree. and so do the rules "You agree to not use the Service to submit or link to any Content which is defamatory, abusive, hateful, threatening, spam or spam-like, likely to offend, contains adult or objectionable content, contains personal information of others, risks copyright infringement, encourages unlawful activity, or otherwise violates any laws.
agreed. however a civil attitude shouldn't just be expected it should be the norm. But then again the term "civil" is subjective.
As above. Because it is subjective a good chunk of those rules you quoted effectively say "telepathically intuit what the special snowflake finds palatable", which is a joke.
You took a line out of context to suit your subjective feelings on the matter.
For the most part anything reported is pretty much dealt with with the thought process that no one under the age of 13 is on the forums. Public forums (ALL PUBLIC FORUMS) should not be accessed by anyone under that age without their parents consent/present this is the parents job to police not ours. This it told to everyone in the majority of counties around the world constantly. "Watch what your children access online".
The reason Crusade mentioned background checks is:
Kids do not fully release what they are doing and saying online till its far past done.
A child can revel their name and location without realizing and a predator could be lurking with the knowledge on how to track down kids. This is a risk on ALL PUBLIC SITES AND FORUMS.
As adults we know better to just say the country and state unless we are comfortable with saying more, a child does not have the same risk assessment and thought process. The can blurt out their own suburb which is a massive risk to their own safety. You can argue kids know but kids get easily heated and caught up in the moment that's because their brain isn't developed enough to be logical.
You can argue to be family friendly all you would like, but the fact of the matter is, no one under the age of 13 should be on a public forum without a parent present.
There's also the issue that you would be putting in censorship and taking away freedom of speech, changing the entire forum etc etc but i wont go there.
All that being said, I would love to see family friendly forum section with the option for those young ones who do access the forum with their parents. An "under 16s" sub forum where those who are under that age can get help without all the backlash of "being a noob" or "special snowflake" BS in a safe heavily monitored place.
I'm Australian, and so are a few members of the community. "Cunt" is not an offensive term here, but I dare say many words you don't find offensive are probably offensive to... alright probably not us but others.
Limiting the exact wording via rules is pointless, someone will always get triggered by something.
I'm Australian, and so are a few members of the community. "Cunt" is not an offensive term here, but I dare say many words you don't find offensive are probably offensive to... alright probably not us but others.
Limiting the exact wording via rules is pointless, someone will always get triggered by something.
You want an on topic post? Alrighty then let's get this show on the road.
Family friendly? Yeah, no. Starmade dock will never be family friendly. Despite most people being flexible and not complete retards, there will always be some who chuck the biggest spaz you've ever seen upon seeing words like "cunt" "fag" etc. Starmadedock is also supposed to be about learning how the game works, and sharing is it not? Guess what. The playerbase who know how the game works are assholes. They're not bad assholes, but they're assholes. However, more often then not they are right.
So what are you going to do? Ban all the people who know how the game works because they don't adhere to your big brother-esq safe space hug box? People are already moving away from SMD because of some moderation decisions. The last thing we need is moderators who overstep their boundaries on some triggered power trip. If you can't handle the heat of the cooking then get the fuck out of the kitchen.
I personally expected as much, but if that was hard for you I'll go out and explicitly state that I respect you for showing proper restraint.
Is it a learning experience for you about how varied the cultural uses of words are? (honest question)
I'm also honestly curious about weather you noticed the double-think in your earlier reply to me. Yes/no? Have I misinterpreted your position?
I let my 11 year old kid play sometimes, since he was 9. He's been to the forums, not sure how much time he's ever spent here though. I don't have a problem with anything he would probably see on here. Maybe i'm unusual and don't censor my kids enough to some, but I go about it the other way. I let them experience the world as it is and explain it to them if they don't understand. Now that doesn't mean I let them go watch porn or stuff like that, but if they're respectful and follow the rules of whatever they're doing or where ever they are, I pretty much let them do what they want. The internet is just a never ending set of chances to teach your kids about life from my point of view. So no, I don't have a problem at all with what goes on here on the forums.
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I personally expected as much, but if that was hard for you I'll go out and explicitly state that I respect you for showing proper restraint.
Is it a learning experience for you about how varied the cultural uses of words are? (honest question)
I'm also honestly curious about weather you noticed the double-think in your earlier reply to me. Yes/no? Have I misinterpreted your position?
It wasn't hard for me at all. I personally don't believe censorship is ever a good option. I also believe that when trying to use curse words to make a point, that those curse words usually have the opposite effect by detracting from your point and instead attract attention to your own lack of self control. Which is why I don't curse very often. And when I do curse it's usually because I've lost my own composure.
With regards to varied cultures: Lets limit the cultures to English speaking ones since this is an English site and the word in question is an English slang word. There are 5 majority English speaking countries. Australia, USA, UK, Ireland, Canada, and New Zealand. I would caution you not to go up to a random stranger in anyone of these countries and call them the C word or any other word that are widely viewed to be vulgar or obscene. You would probably get punched in the face, and the chances of you getting punched in the face are probably even higher in Australia.
As for my statement regarding double-think? My only concern is whether or not a reasonable person would be offended by reading a post before I "censor" it. It is not my goal to protect the children or to prepare them for the real world. I only wish to foster an atmosphere that promotes all things StarMade. I personally believe that vulgar language repels more players than it attracts.
Don't make fun of a simple keystroke error, 6 is right next to 5 after all.It's kinda funny that 2 of those nations in question use the terminology of "a pronoun" like "buddy" or "guy"
I would caution you not to go up to a random stranger in anyone of these countries and call them the C word or any other word that are widely viewed to be vulgar or obscene. You would probably get punched in the face, and the chances of you getting punched in the face are probably even higher in Australia.
Now I Chose that word in particular to hedge my bets and make a very specific point. It was a trapcard from the start, and you triggered it marvelously by being of the Politically Correct ilk that "would never have a use for such a word".
To EXPLICITLY state it YOUR moral structure is wired in a way to find it offensive, and by your responses so far I think you're ignorant of the fact that YOUR moral structure on it is not "the way everybody else thinks too". That's not an insult, it's an observation. I hope you take it as such and use it as an opportunity to grow as an individual. It took me a good couple years moderating and administering a public forum before I made that personal growth, I'm hoping I'm doing you a favor by pointing out the shortcut.
It wasn't hard for me at all. I personally don't believe censorship is ever a good option. I also believe that when trying to use curse words to make a point, that those curse words usually have the opposite effect by detracting from your point and instead attract attention to your own lack of self control. Which is why I don't curse very often. And when I do curse it's usually because I've lost my own composure.
That's a valid opinion, however I hope you recognize that a well placed expletive serves a dual function of stressing certain points and "outing" people who are more interested in splitting hairs than having a real discussion. That's part of the "Trapcard". I personally find people who care more about How something is said than What is said to be lower-class pseudo-intellectuals with delusions of personal grandeur. It's personal experience mixed with a bit of psychology.
With regards to varied cultures: Lets limit the cultures to English speaking ones since this is an English site and the word in question is an English slang word. There are 5 majority English speaking countries. Australia, USA, UK, Ireland, Canada, and New Zealand.
As above. I think your personal culture understands things one way, but it's simply not "the only right one". I hope you can muddle through cognitive dissonance and incorporate that.
As for my statement regarding double-think? My only concern is whether or not a reasonable person would be offended by reading a post before I "censor" it. It is not my goal to protect the children or to prepare them for the real world. I only wish to foster an atmosphere that promotes all things StarMade. I personally believe that vulgar language repels more players than it attracts.
I understand and respect that position, but it's not the double-think I was trying to bring to light.
You said "starmade for everyone" in one breath, and then casually dismissed everyone not of your own moral framework. Effectively, it seems that "everyone" only included those of comparable/palatable moral framework to your own. As you caution me about face-punches for using coequal vocabulary in setting, I caution you about Classist ideology , Moral Elitism and various other stratification memes that poison mental frameworks.
As regards to different cultures, firstly the UK is not a country its a weird sort of ill-defined republic of 3 countries and beach-head. Secondly over a full third of that land mass you can quite happily get away with calling someone a cunt and not get your ass beat. The US too is an oversimplification, the difference between someone in the northern US and someone in the bible-belt is easily as big as the difference between people in various eueopean countries.
Anyway, these forums represent the StarMade community and either bring new users in or push them away. If the forum is pushing away a decent portion of new users (or even old ones), something has gone wrong and needs to change. Clearly, we (Schine) want StarMade to appeal to all ages and backgrounds (or at least as many as we can).
SMD should never be a hostile environment.
Just remember, SMD is an official StarMade resource. It represents StarMade and does need to be careful in the image it portrays. There's a fine line between expression and negativity.
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