so that abusive players you don't like keep donating to your server costs without anybody having to actually deal with it? sounds like bad management.I'm afraid I cannot agree with your method of enforcing order. Your methods work for you, on your server where you are free to do as you please. Let us have the option do the same.
All we ask is that there is an option.
it is not incompetent, it is needessly soft. please do not insinuate where i have not. You could argue I am saying it is neglegent on the part of the admins, to not ban those not following the rules, but that should be taken as read on any server for any community. read the terms on this forum for a sample of what is accepted as "the norm"If management is bad, it's their own server that will suffer. Having different standards does not necessarily equal laziness. Please don't imply that those who want this option are incompetent.
please do not insinuate where i have not.
Yeah I'm not seeing that.Learn to admin.
Get more admins. Thats what you should be doing already.
A decent Admin team...
Yeah I'm not seeing that.
In any case, let servers work out their own issues their own way. If they want to be needlessly soft then let them, if they do end up suffering that's their own fault.
Again, in the end all we ask is that the option is there.
a kick is a wake up call. nothing more than a warning to server that if the behaviour continues a temporary ban is likely. This systems works well on all forums and videogames to date.Hell I could argue that kicking is an utter waste of time since they can just reconnect but the option is there isn't it?
pls unban from mushroomfleet?A decent Admin team would kick any player for all the infractions described. Try coming to our Ivory Tower before making assumptions about how we run things. All the players that come here complain about weak and lax admins at the previous homes. Hey we love getting new players so no worries from us, but I like to try to improve the game if i can not make it a worse place for new players. thanks.
Muting is acceptable in a voice server. Not on the game server. It doesn't solve anything. That has nothing to do with credibility. We take our "problem players" to one side and many have "reformed" and become "valuable members of the community".
If anyone:
* Spams
* abuses players
* uses a chatbot
* all listed above
That = Ban.
it's basic moderation. If you will ban for griefing and we all agree this is a more serious offense then I ask you why would you not?
*llama06 and Aceface :DBumping because a need just arised for this feature while I was admining elwyn
I have 2 players, Jim and Bob. Jim and Bob are siblings, in the same house sharing an internet connection. Bob spams, gets IP banned. neither players can play anymore. Is this fair on Jim?
Nope. Muting would solve this.
This is the first thing you are incorrect about. Not all servers are your server; owning and running a gaming community is not black and white: its all of the gray in between. At ElwynEternity, I try and earn the respect of my players by fixing problems and providing a quality experience.Tomino_sama said:TLDR people who have no respect deserve to be banned.
I see no way how this is "promoting ignorance". Asking for a feature, that is currently implemented in almost every chat program, is not promoting ignorance.Tomino_sama said:promoting ignorance in the community is not advisable
Again, this is not the way everyone wants to run a server. I for one feel that I should empower the players to have whatever interpersonal relations they choose; I set no bounds for them, they set bounds for themselves and fix their own problems.Tomino_sama said:Permaban is by IP and starmade account.
Ban is temporary
Kick is a wake up call
Change_sector 1000 1000 1000 can actually help a lot
you could try actually taking some time to do speak with these players as often they are feeling ignored which causes thie kind of behaviour.
Treat the Symptoms?
or Cure the Cause?
In my experience, a jail-like system is the only true fix for my servers. If you ban a user, they will attempt to circumvent it. If you take the fun out of the game for the problem user, they will leave on their own accord and will not come back.Tomino_sama said:I can't be an advocate of any anti-social tools / lazy admin commands. Which is what any "player_ignore" is.
If you ignore them they will eventually leave. So why not kick / ban in the first place.
If your Ivory Tower is maintained like this, it is no surprise that you have dropped from rank 3 to rank 10 on the server-list. I've seen bricks fall slower.Tomino_sama said:decent Admin team would kick any player for all the infractions described. Try coming to our Ivory Tower before making assumptions about how we run things.
Have you ever heard of a small game called minecraft? Many servers for it utilize a similar mute/jail system to administrate. Does that condemn them from being labeled as well maintained? Does that make their servers inherently bad because they don't ban their playerbase as soon as they do something wrong?Tomino_sama said:Muting is acceptable in a voice server. Not on the game server. It doesn't solve anything.
This is not only an admin level issue, if players dislike the hate-speech or ideals of other players does it mean they have no choice but to be exposed to it?Tomino_sama said:If Admin is too hard or players are annoying, which are the two reasons for ignoring in chat, then maybe you need more admins that are better equipped to deal with these social issues.
You have an average player count of ~30 players... so about more than half of your players are mods?Tomino_sama said:We have over 20 admins at present and we are bringing in another 10 soon.