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Yes, you can make your structure less spaghetti-like. Totally agree: it doesn't solve spaghetti.

Yes, as I've said, I don't make any claims on its significance. "Meaningless" is only a matter of opinion. I assume anyone who incorrectly claimed I was wrong didn't think it was meaningless at the time.

No disagreement from me. This doesn't alter the correctness of what I've said though: If you want to shield spaghetti (and from what I've been told it does typically get shielded) you either need: - some non-spaghetti structure - multiple weaker shields - some unshielded areas I've made no...

The personal attack isn't necessary or helpful to anyone. I'm always open to learning - if you can show that I'm wrong please do. Until then I'll assume that you can't.

This is getting silly Calhoun. If you've realised your original position is wrong, just say so instead of doing this dance. Your original input in this back-and-forth was when I said the new shields would make shielding spaghetti difficult, you disagreed, here: You were wrong, and that hasn't...

Feel free to prove your point any time you like, or leave things here where your claims about scaling are unsubstantiated.

Feel free to prove me wrong. I'm all in favour of facts, no matter where they come from. Show a *long* shield spaghetti strand that is fully covered, and has the same level of shielding that the same number of shields can achieve in a non-spaghetti strand formation.

First, that isn't scaling up. Second, as I've already pointed out, a group shielded inside another bubble is inactive. And even if the second group centroid is outside the first bubble, where bubbles overlap only one has any effect. So no, you can't scale shields on spaghetti like that.

If you've been reading the "New power DEV thread" you'd have seen an image from my testing. If you make a spaghetti strand shield group it soon becomes too long to be contained in the range bubble it generates. So not only is scaling shields on spaghetti not easier with the new system, it's...

Had some more thoughts on docked hull effect via the new system: although it's certainly possible I think it's probably going to be rare. The reason is that your shields scale linearly as you add more shield blocks, but as you do the shield bubble that you need to put your hull outside of...

You mean change it and it becomes correct... Anyway, it's still wrong for spaghetti: as I've said multiple times a spaghetti strand length increases faster than the shield bubble diameter it creates. So you cannot simply scale up your shields for spaghetti. You either build parts that aren't...

I see what you're saying - sorry, I was thinking of docked hull also with it's own shields for some reason. I agree, it does pretty much let you replicate a docked hull outside your shielded systems if you want to (and if your ship isn't too small). If that means everyone can increase their...

It looks like you may have forgotten your own point. It was: "The shield bubble radius is seemingly based on reactor size, and that's far easier to scale up in a ship that's mostly space than a restricting hull." As shields aren't based on reactors, and as spaghetti strand lengths scale faster...

It matters very much how it's done, and the point doesn't stand. The bubble radius doesn't scale as fast the length of a strand of spaghetti. So building shielded spaghetti doesn't work unless: - you build some non-spaghetti sections - or you shield your spaghetti with many small weak shield...

If you're leaving sections unshielded your ship deserves to be vulnerable.

The new shields are unquestionably worse for spaghetti than old shields: it's not possible to maintain the same spaghetti structure, and the same level of shielding, and the same shield coverage - something must give, by definition. The only question is how significant this is. If existing...

Problem? What problem? The new shields system looks great.