Stealth

[phanT0m]

I'm sure someone has probably mentioned this before but i cannot find it for myself but i think that stealth is too hard a matter to accomplish. I wanna be able to cloak and/or jam radars but the power needed is normally to great. I understand you need to make it balanced so that you cant just plonk a cloaker on a ship like the Damocles but a little balncing would help

 

[HadrasVorshoth]

I also concur that the stealth system seems right at this point. It might be a bit hard to manage stealth and jamming, but that fits with most space genre ships I\'ve seen in my life: ships with stealth functionality tend to be specialised for that stealth functionality, at the expense of other things, unless you are brilliant like the Klingons and have stealthy ships that are terrifyingly effective in a straight-up fight, due to psychological manipulation of their enemy in hailing and high-impact (although often low damage, just causing shaking of the ship) shots to disorient the enemy.

This might not apply as much to Starmade, but to be honest, this is more of a balancing issue anyway, and probably it\'s too early to consider, since it\'s still in the \'adding new things\' phase of development.

 

[WatcherCCG]

The only thing that might need adjustment is allowing hull to be ignored by the block coverage of jammers. This way a stealth ship can have a covering and not look like an uglyass pile of blocks floating in space. Actual stealth planes in the real world look very sleek and streamlined. We need hull in Starmade to get the same effect.

 

[Nootau]

Real world stealth vessels are Jammer ships, they do not cloak from visual moniters. So you can easily have a nice looking Jammer ship that cannot cloak.

 

[Imperial_Gold]

When you said Kilngons you reminded me of the new Star Trek movie. For some reason I thought of the part when the Enterprise get knocked out of warp! Sooooooo funny. (sorry if you havent seen it yet).

 

[Draren Thiralas]

I, for one, think that the current stealth system only needs one thing - making it possible to shoot while cloaked. It is already close to impossible to make a ship capable of:

1.Cloaking

2.Jamming

3.Flying

4.Shooting

at the same time, so no need in miking it completely impossible. Furthermore, those ships will still be possible to kill by looking where the projectiles come from.

 

[Nootau]

This would only be good for ships made to harass ships many times smaller than itself as using 1+2+3 at the same time costs more than 150e/s per block. The amount of AMC to be able to fire continuously under such a small amount of remaining e/s could only damage unshielded ships, very small ships normally used by very new players, and people outside of their ships.

 

[Cool3303]

Well you can make ships which can do everything and (could without this stupid limit) sustain cloaked, sadly it does not make sense to build ships with more than 500K energy regeneration which extremely limits them in their possibilities.

Starmade really needs an more efficient power storage since the storage mass ratio would need to be 3000to cloak the block itself and an other block for 10 seconds which would be ridiculous for weapon sytems...


By using Intelligent Design you can even make them look nice and kick ass



By the way dont you dare to copy my design

 

[smeep]

Just a word of advice, do NOT hit R while you are cloaked.

 

[PhysX]

Yeah if you keep it small anything over 1500 mass is unmamagible as I have found out. And use black hull to get around cloaking until you can afford it because at about 380m away from a 2000 mass ship I could barely see it (only thing I could see was the parts I hadn\'t completed yet and you could still see the power blocks)

Radar jamming is very expensive though, forum post on radar jamming - http://star-made.org/content/radar-jammer-power-requirements-nerf-and-other-things

 

[Sven_The_Slayer]

Stealth has a high entry barrier as only players who really know how the power systems work can use it. If it was to easy than every ship would be able to cloak and/or jam and that would just be a mess. It\'s also quite possible to make nice looking stealth ships





http://star-made.org/content/ucc-stealth-tech

 

[WatcherCCG]

All the same, I think the bar should be lowered. The best way to do that would be to have hull ignored by the power requirements for stealth functions. You still need to know how to rig a power core correctly, but now you can use something other than shields to protect your ship.

 

[War Dog]

Really, you only need both cloaking and jamming if you want to remain completely undetectable. Most stealth combat ships I make only use cloaking since it frees up a lot of power. Even if someone sees your on their navcom they can\'t really do anything about it if you\'re cloaked; aside from firing wildly into space.

Other things I\'ve found useful in stealth ships:

You don\'t have to worry about AMC energy usage; the cloak AND the energy it uses is turned off as soon as your fire.

Thrusters get a connection bonus and a second bonus for each new block getting a new XYZ dimension. Big blocks of engines can work, but you can get a better thruster:mass ratio by rearranging your thrusters a bit.

Lag can cause you to randomly decloak unless you have enough spare energy generated.

 

[Sven_The_Slayer]

I don\'t think we\'ll get a cloak ignores shields option because that removes the only thing that is capable of countering a cloaked ship, the powerdrain beam. I believe the powerdrain beam is in the game as a counter to cloaking ships. Stealth ships will always have exposed powercores and powerdrain beams only work on exposed power. I\'m eventually going to make a stealth hunter ship that uses powerdrain beams.

Hopefully the next update has a fix for the lag-decloak issue, at least that\'s what I got from reading the patch notes on the pre-release.

 

[Nootau]

If you don\'t jam you have your diamond still. It is not firing wildly, any good pilot will fire at your diamond, your core.

 

[Koloss_Meshuggah]

I\'d say jamming is more important than cloaking in my case at least. I have a not-so-good computer and keep the veiw distence as low as posible. Whenever I run across an Isanth it is effectivly cloaked up to 100m. All I do is fire at the center of the red square until it says \"overheating\", seems to do the job.

 

[Monsta]

A few things i have to say on the topic of stealth ships:

1. A ship that can cloak, jam, fight and fly all at the same time would be ridiculously over powered, imagine being able to engage with another ship, then cloak and jam, fly around behind the ship your fighting, uncloak, shoot at it until the ship turns around, then cloak and go behind it again. There would simply be no stopping a ship with this kind of system.

2. The whole stealth system is completely fine as it is, most of the people complaining about how difficult it is are noobs and want to leap straight into the advanced stuff within minutes of first playing.

3. Theres not a lot of point in cloaking, unless you want to spy on someone elses base, but most of the fighting that happens on normal servers is Pirate VS Players (the exception being PvP, but thats normally advanced players), and pirate stations are easy to predict.

4. Jamming is much better in combat, because it uses less power, you can still shoot, and as long as you stay out of the other ships field of view, your still un-detectable.

 

[Jacob2033]

Could some one please put up a link for a good small cloaking/jamming ship that has decent speed and guns also shields?

 

[Cool3303]

It is possible to create incredible stuff without exploiting but it isn´t incredible enough! I want that this 1million e/sec limit dissappears (but also limiting max generator lenght to prevent even sleekier ships)

@Jacob NOPE I got 4well working Stealth ships covering every size but atleast 6 non working and I dont see why I should give away my hard work.Just follow this steps:

1Your ship doesnt need to look good.It needs to kick ass

2Energy goes first (inform yourself about the unique block system)

3Dont expect to much,even with a lot work stealth ships might not function

4Dont exploit docking because it is something only faggots do and will be fixed sooner or later

 

[Jacob2033]

Just made one I ended up with infinite cloak,decent speed , small dammage guns ,and radar (radar can\'t be on with cloaking) I feel pleased with my tiny ship took about 3 secs to make lol.