Box dimension theory means that
5x1 box dimension is 5+1 = 6
3x3 box dimension is 3+3 = 6
Yes it applies to thrust, and power tanks.
5x1 box dimension is 5+1 = 6
3x3 box dimension is 3+3 = 6
Yes it applies to thrust, and power tanks.
Power Generation - Cracking the code
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Can somebody explain this problem please :
\"I have got a ship with 1 line of 12 powerblocs (12*1*1) which give 1889.2 e/sec,
and an other one with 72 lines (which are not in contact) of 12 powerblocs which give 135527.0 e/sec,
or 1889.2 * 72 = 136022.4 =/= 135527.0\"
This is a 0.004% difference but I would like to understand why it appears (an approximation in the formula ?).
\"I have got a ship with 1 line of 12 powerblocs (12*1*1) which give 1889.2 e/sec,
and an other one with 72 lines (which are not in contact) of 12 powerblocs which give 135527.0 e/sec,
or 1889.2 * 72 = 136022.4 =/= 135527.0\"
This is a 0.004% difference but I would like to understand why it appears (an approximation in the formula ?).
I understood it with \" + 25 * number_of_blocks\", but this part of the formula is linear
so how does the formula deal with the fact that there are several \"volumes\" of blocks which are not in contact ?
what means \"BoxDimXSize + BoxDimYSize + BoxDimZSize\" if there are several volumes of powerblocks which are not in contact please ?
so how does the formula deal with the fact that there are several \"volumes\" of blocks which are not in contact ?
what means \"BoxDimXSize + BoxDimYSize + BoxDimZSize\" if there are several volumes of powerblocks which are not in contact please ?
So im having an issue and since this seems to be where all the major experts on power generation have gathered I\'ll pose my question here.
So im trying to build a stealth ship that has ~1mil regen. So i build a generator and have 220k e/sec. cool, so ill just build 4 more of the same dimension. *5 more later* ok so i have 6 now, and im at 880k (220 * 6 != 880?) huh... ill add 1 more. *1 more* 930k, how did i only add 50k? what the heck is going on...
trying to be helpfull before i post this i run some tests. i place a ship core and build 1 generator
1x1x200 = 1522463.8 e/sec
the another 1x1x200 = 298650.8 (1522463.8 X 2 = 304927.6)
then another 1x1x200 = 433309.1 (1522463.8 X 3 = 457391.4)
So its now clear we are suffering some sort of penalty. So i try one more test to try and differentiate are we reciecing this penatly for : A. the number of generators we have or B. the amount of power they\'re generating
build a new ship core and use smaller generators
add 1x1x20 = 3926.8
X2 = 7853.4
X3 = 11779.9
X4 = 15706.2
X5 = 19632.2 (3926.8 X 5 = 19634)
what i hypothesize after this test is that generators suffer a penalty to how much they generate relative to how much power is already being generated. I believe it to be relative to how much, rather than how many, since the penalty recieved while testing with the many smaller generators was so small while the penalty with just a couple huge generators was so much higher.
If anyone knows where i might find more info on this please let me know since i didnt see it browsing the wiki or the forums, and if its a new problem I hope all these local math enthusiasts can help me crack it open
So im trying to build a stealth ship that has ~1mil regen. So i build a generator and have 220k e/sec. cool, so ill just build 4 more of the same dimension. *5 more later* ok so i have 6 now, and im at 880k (220 * 6 != 880?) huh... ill add 1 more. *1 more* 930k, how did i only add 50k? what the heck is going on...
trying to be helpfull before i post this i run some tests. i place a ship core and build 1 generator
1x1x200 = 1522463.8 e/sec
the another 1x1x200 = 298650.8 (1522463.8 X 2 = 304927.6)
then another 1x1x200 = 433309.1 (1522463.8 X 3 = 457391.4)
So its now clear we are suffering some sort of penalty. So i try one more test to try and differentiate are we reciecing this penatly for : A. the number of generators we have or B. the amount of power they\'re generating
build a new ship core and use smaller generators
add 1x1x20 = 3926.8
X2 = 7853.4
X3 = 11779.9
X4 = 15706.2
X5 = 19632.2 (3926.8 X 5 = 19634)
what i hypothesize after this test is that generators suffer a penalty to how much they generate relative to how much power is already being generated. I believe it to be relative to how much, rather than how many, since the penalty recieved while testing with the many smaller generators was so small while the penalty with just a couple huge generators was so much higher.
If anyone knows where i might find more info on this please let me know since i didnt see it browsing the wiki or the forums, and if its a new problem I hope all these local math enthusiasts can help me crack it open
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If you look at the formula you will notice that yes, it does reduce the effectiveness of power generation around 1 million, and at a certain point the bonus you previously got is reduced to nothing and all you get is the 25 boost from each block placed (no matter where it is)
Our problem with Outbreak is that we don\'t understand how we can calculate the energy generation of several separated groups with the formula.
so how does the formula deal with the fact that there are several \"volumes\" of blocks which are not in contact ?
what means \"BoxDimXSize + BoxDimYSize + BoxDimZSize\" if there are several volumes of powerblocks which are not in contact please ?
can you use an example please ?
so how does the formula deal with the fact that there are several \"volumes\" of blocks which are not in contact ?
what means \"BoxDimXSize + BoxDimYSize + BoxDimZSize\" if there are several volumes of powerblocks which are not in contact please ?
can you use an example please ?
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I\'ll check back tomorrow, but see if this makes sense once you\'ve read through it:
((1/(1+(1.000696)^(-((XS*.333))-.5)*2000000)+25*B
Where B is the number of power blocks in the entire ship, and XS is what you get when you add the following for every generator (collection of connected power blocks) in the ship:
Xn = (Nn/3)^1.7. For each generator, Nn is the width + height + length in blocks of the generator*. If you have some number of generators with the exact same dimensions, you can remember that the sum of all of their Xn values would be the number of generators with identical Nn values multiplied by their (also identical) Xn value.
* You want the actual dimensions. If it curves back on itself like a snake but is only three blocks wide at its widest, you\'re using 3 for the width.
XS = sum of all Xn
And the equation that you put XS into again is
((1/(1+(1.000696)^(-XS*.333))-.5)*2000000)+25*B
So if you just have one ship with ten 1x1x200 generators and a 25x25x25 cube, you could do the 25x25x25 cube like this:
X0 = (N0/3)^1.7, where N0 = (25+25+25), so X0 = 237.956742339
and then one 200-length generator as X1, and just add it to XS 10 times (multiply by ten).
X1 = (N1/3)^1.7, where N1 = (200+1+1), so X1 = 1282.30458472
XS = X0 + 10*X1 = 13061.0025895
To calculate B (total number of power blocks), just multiply the block dimensions together. 200x1x1 generators are 200 blocks each, and the 25x25x25 is going to be 25*25*25. With ten of the 200x1x1s, B will be:
B = 200*10 + 25*25*25 = 17625
Now to solve the final equation:
((1/(1+(1.000696)^(-((XS*.333))-.5)*2000000)+25*B
Plug in the values we calculated:
((1/(1+(1.000696)^(-13061.0025895*.333))-.5)*2000000)+25*17625
Result: 1,348,101.12242
Note that the result may be slightly different from what starmade gives, despite using the exact same equations, particularly for numbers in the millions or above. Might be due to using different precision data types? Hard to say.
P.S. I used google\'s calculator this time, but if you do this in a spreadsheet or the like, you\'re much less likely to make a mistake. I had to double check everything after I noted that the result was too low, as I had made several mistakes, likely due to being quite tired. What I mean is, you can set it up to have number of generators, width, height, and length fields, and take from those to generate values that it automatically plugs into formulas to generate a result for you. Then you only have to worry about getting the equations and math right once.
((1/(1+(1.000696)^(-((XS*.333))-.5)*2000000)+25*B
Where B is the number of power blocks in the entire ship, and XS is what you get when you add the following for every generator (collection of connected power blocks) in the ship:
Xn = (Nn/3)^1.7. For each generator, Nn is the width + height + length in blocks of the generator*. If you have some number of generators with the exact same dimensions, you can remember that the sum of all of their Xn values would be the number of generators with identical Nn values multiplied by their (also identical) Xn value.
* You want the actual dimensions. If it curves back on itself like a snake but is only three blocks wide at its widest, you\'re using 3 for the width.
XS = sum of all Xn
And the equation that you put XS into again is
((1/(1+(1.000696)^(-XS*.333))-.5)*2000000)+25*B
So if you just have one ship with ten 1x1x200 generators and a 25x25x25 cube, you could do the 25x25x25 cube like this:
X0 = (N0/3)^1.7, where N0 = (25+25+25), so X0 = 237.956742339
and then one 200-length generator as X1, and just add it to XS 10 times (multiply by ten).
X1 = (N1/3)^1.7, where N1 = (200+1+1), so X1 = 1282.30458472
XS = X0 + 10*X1 = 13061.0025895
To calculate B (total number of power blocks), just multiply the block dimensions together. 200x1x1 generators are 200 blocks each, and the 25x25x25 is going to be 25*25*25. With ten of the 200x1x1s, B will be:
B = 200*10 + 25*25*25 = 17625
Now to solve the final equation:
((1/(1+(1.000696)^(-((XS*.333))-.5)*2000000)+25*B
Plug in the values we calculated:
((1/(1+(1.000696)^(-13061.0025895*.333))-.5)*2000000)+25*17625
Result: 1,348,101.12242
Note that the result may be slightly different from what starmade gives, despite using the exact same equations, particularly for numbers in the millions or above. Might be due to using different precision data types? Hard to say.
P.S. I used google\'s calculator this time, but if you do this in a spreadsheet or the like, you\'re much less likely to make a mistake. I had to double check everything after I noted that the result was too low, as I had made several mistakes, likely due to being quite tired. What I mean is, you can set it up to have number of generators, width, height, and length fields, and take from those to generate values that it automatically plugs into formulas to generate a result for you. Then you only have to worry about getting the equations and math right once.