Build Mode in survival makes no sense

[DreamingOfRoundPlanetsAndNoBlocks]

This is what people is doing these days:
1) Start on a survival server
2) Find an abandoned station
3) Put a build block
4) Press R and remove the shit out of it with the 10x10 removal tool
5) Get shitloads of resources in 5 minutes and then sell them to the nearest shop and be set for life

It's beyond dumb. Also, the fact that you can build without exposing yourself out there just ruins the survival experience. You should be out there manually building your ship and base or having some sort of small building ship if anything, not just calmly traveling around and doing everything via psychic powers or something inside your safe ship. It makes no sense and ruins it for those that want a 100x100 survival experience. If you want to calmly build stuff just go on creative, survival shouldn't have build mode enabled. Also just lol at being able to travel around in buildmode and look around without any risk and clipping inside people's ships, bases and planets. Just get rid of Build Tool during survival mode and disable the ability to import your ships on there as well. You should be forced to build your ship from scratch and without Build Mode in survival.. because its survival not lego construction toolkit space edition.

 

[Keptick]

You go do that. Oh, look! You can't! Because the only thing stations produce is scrap! And look! What's this? Could it be a server config option to disable blueprints? No, that's impossible, right?

Oh, and this is STARMADE, not minecraft. The build mode is one of the best things in this game. If you want to painfully build by hand then go ahead, no one is stopping you :p

Ps: There's only one game mode. Try to document yourself a bit before making a rant thread....

 

[Incap]

 

[Thalanor]

The Cat was aware of what people did "these days" many days ago, and fixed it.
I once saw a server who limited advanced building to 3x3x3. I have not heard of it anymore since then.

In fact, many servers use even larger boxes than 10x10x10, and personal creative local universes often use substantially increased max values. It is a tool for building; using it to get resources is impossble because:

1. stations are literal scrap, as keptick mentioned
2. only mining beams can extract shards and ore from the respective blocks.
3. Even if neither 1 NOR 2 were true, credits can no longer be used to be set for life.

 

[Lidren]

Yup, cancer.

 

[Sven_The_Slayer]

Do what you like in your own game, if you don't want to play survival with build mode, don't. Just don't try and force your arbitrary distaste on others, and if you must, host your own server where you can enforce whatever rule you want.

 

[takethispie]

 

[Megacrafter127]

You are hardly even qualified to have an opinion.

I am unable to agree with that sentence as is(I suggest improving how this sentence is formulated).

 

[Ithirahad]

The amount of facepalm is too damn high.

 

[JimmyJamba]

This post would have been relevant quite some time ago but most of the exploiting from build blocks has been fixed by schema.... I would expect that this, like most other options won't be vanilla but will eventually be configurable by the server admin.

For those confused about how to eat a bag of dicks... Louis CK may shed some light on it for you.

Spoiler

 

[KiloZulu]

This is what people is doing these days:
1) Start on a survival server
2) Find an abandoned station
3) Put a build block
4) Press R and remove the shit out of it with the 10x10 removal tool
5) Get shitloads of resources in 5 minutes and then sell them to the nearest shop and be set for life

It's beyond dumb. Also, the fact that you can build without exposing yourself out there just ruins the survival experience. You should be out there manually building your ship and base or having some sort of small building ship if anything, not just calmly traveling around and doing everything via psychic powers or something inside your safe ship. It makes no sense and ruins it for those that want a 100x100 survival experience. If you want to calmly build stuff just go on creative, survival shouldn't have build mode enabled. Also just lol at being able to travel around in buildmode and look around without any risk and clipping inside people's ships, bases and planets. Just get rid of Build Tool during survival mode and disable the ability to import your ships on there as well. You should be forced to build your ship from scratch and without Build Mode in survival.. because its survival not lego construction toolkit space edition.

Your first point is out-dated. As was pointed out, stations only produce scrap when salvaged.

I don't know what you are referring to with the "build without exposing yourself," unless you think players should have to space walk and place blocks? They certainly are at risk from pirate/player attack while they're building. Players can build one block at a time while space walking, but this is a game that is fueled primarily by the players' desire to experiment creatively. Having tools to make that easier make the game much more enjoyable. I can no longer play Minecraft because I know that advanced build tools exist.

I do agree with your sentiment that players should not be able to ghost through other player's ships while in build mode. Frankly, I find it rude to do so. I build airlocks, automated doors, gravity lifts, rooms and corridors to greet a player visually upon entrance, and all kinds of bells and whistles on my ships for players to explore. Nothing pisses me off more than having them sit in their ship and go, "yeah, that looks neat. What do these logic blocks down here in the lower hull do?"

 

[MossyStone48]

Keep it civil folks. While everyone has a right to voice their opinion if you don't like what they have to say just ignore it.

 

[Snk]

I kind of understand where he's coming from. I don't like the idea of the magic build mode. What would be smarter is having a building laser and shipyards. You'd build your station with a building laser and use that to construct some ships

 

[aceface]

This is what people is doing these days:
1) Start on a survival server
2) Find an abandoned station
3) Put a build block
4) Press R and remove the shit out of it with the 10x10 removal tool
5) Get shitloads of resources in 5 minutes and then sell them to the nearest shop and be set for life

It's beyond dumb. Also, the fact that you can build without exposing yourself out there just ruins the survival experience. You should be out there manually building your ship and base or having some sort of small building ship if anything, not just calmly traveling around and doing everything via psychic powers or something inside your safe ship. It makes no sense and ruins it for those that want a 100x100 survival experience. If you want to calmly build stuff just go on creative, survival shouldn't have build mode enabled. Also just lol at being able to travel around in buildmode and look around without any risk and clipping inside people's ships, bases and planets. Just get rid of Build Tool during survival mode and disable the ability to import your ships on there as well. You should be forced to build your ship from scratch and without Build Mode in survival.. because its survival not lego construction toolkit space edition.

I agree. there should be a hardcore gamemode! why is everyone so frikken pissed just because someone says something that conflicts their views?

 

[MossyStone48]

How about suggesting a Disable_Buildmode switch in the server config?
Express yourself however you like. A suggestion would get farther.

 

[DreamingOfRoundPlanetsAndNoBlocks]

I agree. there should be a hardcore gamemode! why is everyone so frikken pissed just because someone says something that conflicts their views?

Thanks to these that get what im saying. Why are they pissed ? dunno. Maybe because they are fanboy drones.

What im just proposing is a legitimate hardcore survival experience, where you can't put a build block on a planet/station and salvage the shit out of it independently of it giving you scraps or not, it literally feels like cheating in minecraft as you grief away, it looks stupid. It's not intuitive and makes no sense outside a creative context.
Even if this is fixed and you can't do this anymore, the fact that you can freely fly around and even clip inside planets and people's bases/stations/ships during build mode is beyond ridiculous objectively speaking. It's like a legal exploit.

Im just proposing a standarized hardcore survival mode where these are disabled and everything happens within the server (namely, no blueprints that are made safely in creative mode then exported on there, no magic build blocks etc). Legit survival only where the action happens only in the server and everyone starts from scratch, ideally with a food system as well implemented in the future so it trully feels like you have to survive in space. Right now there is no sense of survival at all.

Having a million options to customize your server is good but sometimes it isn't as it's imposible to stablish a standard, you end up with a sea of servers all with different configurations. It would be good to have standards and then small tweaks upon that standard. Like survival standard mode then tweaks upon that, a creative mode and tweaks upon that, and a mix of both (like we have now as "survival") etc.

I think this game has insane potential and I still bet on it, I just wouldn't like to see it remain underground as hell because it's fanbase requires a proper survival mode because "it's not minecraft".

 

[MossyStone48]

StarMade is what the server owner decides - based on the community that frequents it. Very few veteran server owners use the vanilla config. Already many servers are very distinct from one another; the active user counts justify their uniqueness.

Otherwise those servers would all disappear right before the next hosting bill arrives.

 

[Ithirahad]

Thanks to these that get what im saying. Why are they pissed ? dunno. Maybe because they are fanboy drones.

...Maybe it's because the existence of build mode is one of the major features that attracted a large segment of the SM fanbase, because it didn't force the same limitations on them as Minecraft. Believe it or not, a lot of people like StarMade because it is like space LEGO pieces.

Regardless, though, I do like the idea of a server config option to disable build mode. And I do also agree that the ability to clip through other structure in Build Mode is a little sketchy. Just... please, try to act civil and check your facts (particularly as to "what this fanbase requires") rather than just throwing ad hominems around and generally making yourself look like an ass. THAT is what resulted in all the "This post gave me cancer" memes and other nonsense. Not the concept behind the idea itself.

 

[Sven_The_Slayer]

What im just proposing is a legitimate hardcore survival experience, where you can't put a build block on a planet/station and salvage the shit out of it independently of it giving you scraps or not, it literally feels like cheating in minecraft as you grief away, it looks stupid. It's not intuitive and makes no sense outside a creative context.
Even if this is fixed and you can't do this anymore, the fact that you can freely fly around and even clip inside planets and people's bases/stations/ships during build mode is beyond ridiculous objectively speaking. It's like a legal exploit.

That's not what you proposed, you didn't request features or settings to be able to set up a "hardcore" survival you more or less demanded features be removed from any game not considered creative and that's not the best way to get your opinion heard.

The Advanced build mode is what keeps me playing Starmade over Minecraft. I also consider advanced build modes ability to fly around and clip through things to as my ships basic sensors. This is how I "scan" the area. Some mechanic in game to prevent players from build mode flying into your ship would probably be a great and welcome feature. Just think of Startrek, they can often see things on their view screen that is not simply a camera on their ship but they cannot just look around the inside of other ships.

Another note I have never once build blocked a planet or station, as I do consider it cheating, but I wasn't about to start a crusade to force people to stop playing the game how they want to play. That's up to the admins on the servers and as I said once already, you want to play extreme-advance-build-mode-less-hard-core Starmade then you are free to do so, or start a server and find other like minded individuals to join you. You are also free to head over to the suggestions sub-forum and suggest settings to restrict advanced build mode from servers.

 

[Ithirahad]

The Advanced build mode is what keeps me playing Starmade over Minecraft. I also consider advanced build modes ability to fly around and clip through things to as my ships basic sensors. This is how I "scan" the area. Some mechanic in game to prevent players from build mode flying into your ship would probably be a great and welcome feature. Just think of Startrek, they can often see things on their view screen that is not simply a camera on their ship but they cannot just look around the inside of other ships.

Something that lets you fly around and clip through things that aren't your own ship should be part of a different feature... Something like a viewscreen control or short-range scanner, with a range limited by array size.