The "Dread Pirate" challenge

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    50K mass cruiser or smaller, must have a pirate skull and crossbones.
    No insults, be a gentleman.
    Ships obviously smaller than 50K mass are not fair game, nor are obvious miners.
    Those you challenge CAN bring ships that are bigger!

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    Many of us bemoan the lack of anything to actually do in Starmade for the time being, short of mine and build. Some have taken to the role of reavers in response, creating risk by willy nilly attacking any and all. Meanwhile there are players who would prefer to be largely left alone while they mine and build, who are on multiplayer servers solely for community. This proposal is an attempt to create a middle ground.

    So ya wannabe a pirate, eh? I propose the gentleman pirate, the "Dread Pirate" <insert username here>

    A gentleman pirate is a sportsman, and follows sporting rules. A gentleman pirate is first and foremost a gentleman, and they conduct themselves appropriately. They do not insult their prey, they do not belittle someone who avoids a fight. Someone who hides in their homebase is someone to perhaps come back to check upon later is all. You can 'encourage' them to come out and play, but it must be done politely.

    To be a gentleman pirate is to accept defeat graciously. Your job is to enjoy a challenge, knowing that the rules you follow permit those you challenge to defeat you. There is no challenge assaulting people while you are flying a 500K mass titan. A gentleman pirate flies a ship no larger than 50K mass. This is a cruiser sufficiently large to give a serious fight, yet not so large that you could not easily replace it. A very well designed, built and piloted 50K mass ship might however be able to defeat the typical 500K mass newb cube. Now there is a nice challenge worthy of the sport.

    Your 50K cruiser can be as tough as you can build it, but should not exploit bugs 'solely' meant to create lag. Winning by lagging the server is not sporting. You must also have a clearly visible skull and crossbones on the hull of your ship, ideally more than one, so people can see that you are a pirate.

    Any ship that is close enough to 50K or bigger is fair game, 'except' for ships that are clearly simply mining ships. A mining ship might carry some armament, but just because it is armed to deal with NPC pirates does not mean it is ok for you in your 50K cruiser to use it for target practice. It is not a challenge. Battleminers however ARE fair game. A ship that is a miner but is also clearly designed to obliterate pirate stations and fleets is enough of a warship that you may attack with impunity. Such ships are typically substantially bigger than your 50K cruiser and so even with the mass they devoted to mining should be able to put up a fair fight. If you are in doubt as to the miner being a battleminer, either ask if it is, or assume it is not and leave it alone. (Yes, some people may lie, it is their loss in cred.)

    Ships that are 50k mass (visually) or larger and clearly not mining ships can be fired upon on sight. However it is generally more sporting to greet your prey first with a gentlemanly, "Your money or your life" or something else similarly apt. They may be willing to pay for free passage instead of fighting. You should graciously accept their surrender.

    You can if you wish fly a ship that is less than 50K mass. However you still must not attack players who are significantly less than that, otherwise players will not have a way of opting out of being fair game.

    Other dread pirates ARE fair game. Just because you yourself are a pirate does not mean other pirates cannot test their mettle against you.

    Be forewarned, there will be times you challenge someone and they come out of their station in a 200K mass battlewagon. Them's the risks you take. They won't get much in the way of bragging rights for defeating you. You on the other hand will get respect simply for accepting the challenge. And if you prevail, well, 'now' you've earned some serious dread.

    How to not be a target of Dread Pirates:

    Keep large ships docked. Fly around in ships that are visibly smaller than 50K mass. 10K mass will be pretty obvious as too small for worthy game, but you might get away with 20K as well, depending on how you built your ship. Don't look like a big juicy target!

    Miners are not fair game, even if they are 50K or more in mass. If you are flying a miner however, make sure it looks like a miner and not a battleship, to prevent mistakes. Note that Battleminers 'are' considered fair game. A battleminer is a ship built to be both a miner and a major warship. You can lightly arm your miner to deal with NPC pirates, but if you arm it heavily, it is likely to be seen as a battleminer and be fair game.

    If you really want to fly around in big ships but don't want to run too much risk of being blown up by dread pirates, fly a 'really big' ship. Dread pirates never fly ships bigger than 50K. If you are flying a 100K ship, you will have a significant advantage. If you doubt your skill, make it a 200K mass ship. Be aware however that even though they are flying smaller ships, some Dread Pirates are very skilled pilots and ship builders, and they may still come after you and still be able to defeat you.
     
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    Can you jump away in case of falure? Are there rules on how your ship works? Can you have 25 2k mass drones?


    Can we post spoiler galleries of all our kills?
     
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    Can you jump away in case of falure? Are there rules on how your ship works? Can you have 25 2k mass drones?
    Yes, you can jump away in case of failure, but it is an ignominious retreat, a greater dishonor than simply loosing a fight. Indeed there is no dishonor to loosing. Running with your tail between your legs on the other hand is what prey does, not 'Dread Pirates'! Expect scorn to be rightfully thrown at you for your cowardice! (50K mass isn't 'that' hard to replace. Give the victor their spoils.)

    Your ship can use anything that would be allowed in tournament, such as 'Blood and Steel'. Docked reactors, docked hull, meta-weapons, all of it is permitted. However things like logic circuits 'designed' to create lag are not permitted. That is not sporting. If there are server rules about such things, the rules of the server must be followed.

    I think we should prohibit drone fleets. I've built drone fleets at that scale that brought the server to it's knees. Moreover due to the way the mechanics work, drone fleets are VASTLY more powerful for their mass than an equal mass single ship. For fair sport, I think pirates should fly their pirate ship. It is for prey such dishonorable tactics as drone fleets. ;)

    Can we post spoiler galleries of all our kills?
    Definitely! :)
     
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    This is a wonderful idea. The ultimate "Fight Me Bro" for anyone up to the challenge ad with the right attitude! :) I hope to one day build a nice 50k ship to fight with.
     
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    sounds fun. i look forward to running into a few of you. i already do a lot of this sort of thing but not at a specific mass and loudly announced lol
     
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    I am the dread pirate Tuco!
    And I can't build anywhere near that size :(
     
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    I am the dread pirate Tuco!
    And I can't build anywhere near that size :(
    Dread pirates may not 'exceed' 50K, but there is no rule that says they 'must' build to that size. A Dread Pirate that plies their trade in a significantly smaller ship gains even more cred. Surely (Shirley) you AtraUnam, possess the skill to succeed in a smaller ship.
     
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    i'm pretty sure if the game gave atra a butter knife we'd be seeing pictures of a sweet exploit within an hour. something along the lines of 'kill a planet and despawn its star with just a butter knife and logic".

    i had a dread reaper ship. very early on. it's about the size of what most people would call a frigate or transport ship. i was trying to make it look like a spiky cutlass. mostly just a big gun, a power source and enough engine volume to move it. i have the sment buried (yar har har) somewhere.
     
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    I really like the idea. But does it work on servers like Brierie? I mean, I fear that people just hate me for using a 5k ship and will never be friends with me again. :D
     
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    I really like the idea. But does it work on servers like Brierie? I mean, I fear that people just hate me for using a 5k ship and will never be friends with me again. :D
    I really have no idea how various communities will react to this. I am however quite certain that they will react to it far more positively than they would to what they would no doubt otherwise perceive as random 'griefing'. Now you can point to this thread, show how you are adhering to sporting rules, and that it is quite easy for players who do not wish to engage in such activity to avoid it. All they need to do is fly ships that are visibly smaller than Dread Pirates and they will be left alone as insufficient sporting challenge. That or fly miners that are not also battlewagons.

    I should perhaps clarify something however. This is important so as to give those who don't want to engage, a way out. AtraUnam take note...

    Other players ships that are visibly smaller than 50K mass are off limits. It is not simply smaller than your ship. If you want to challenge 50K and larger ships while flying a ship smaller than 50K, that is your choice, but that does not mean that you get to jump players who are flying similarly sized smaller ships. We need to give players who do not want to fight a way to not participate, and limiting ourselves to large targets is the way to achieve this.

    Note: I have edited the OP.
     
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    Is this a shipbuilding contest? It seems more like it. Meh, might participate.
     
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    Is this a shipbuilding contest? It seems more like it. Meh, might participate.
    Well, I suppose it is a ship building contest in a way, but the only judging of the ships will be trial by combat, as you succeed or fail. It may be hard to find worthy targets. If so, look for other Dread Pirates to challenge via chat, or simply call for any and all other challengers. Beware however that versus those who are 'not' Dread Pirates, they may show up with a ship that is bigger than yours. They will gain little or no honor, but at least you will have a fight.
     
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    But does it work on servers like Brierie?
    people on brierie tend to react negatively to getting killed, regardless of how prepared they thought they were. its a server that new players gravitate to, so its often their first experience with the fact that bigger isnt always better. but its well within the rules there, if you dont mind making some enemies.
     

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    I generally don't intentionally pvp but this sounds fun. What is the exploit limit?
     
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    What is the exploit limit?
    I'm not sure I understand the question. You are allowed to use any of the 'exploits' that are allowed in tournaments, except any that are proscribed by the server itself. Our main rule other than that is nothing should be done whose intent is 'solely' to lag the server. So while docked reactors and hull can create lag if they come undone in combat, they are still allowed, as their use is for other reasons, not 'solely' to create lag.

    On the subject of docked reactors and hull though, there are good building practices that can minimize lag problems caused by such. Plan your ship well, and know in advance how many docked sections you will have. Put the cores and the docking blocks inside the most protected part of your ship, the same place you put computers and critical logic. Extend a temporary line of blocks from each of those to where you need those docked components to actually be. Start the building from that line and then delete the temporary line of blocks.

    In combat, it is highly likely that your main ship hull will wind up overheating 'before' any of the docking blocks for your docked components are destroyed, thereby minimizing any resulting lag.
     

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    I'm not sure I understand the question. You are allowed to use any of the 'exploits' that are allowed in tournaments, except any that are proscribed by the server itself. Our main rule other than that is nothing should be done whose intent is 'solely' to lag the server. So while docked reactors and hull can create lag if they come undone in combat, they are still allowed, as their use is for other reasons, not 'solely' to create lag.

    On the subject of docked reactors and hull though, there are good building practices that can minimize lag problems caused by such. Plan your ship well, and know in advance how many docked sections you will have. Put the cores and the docking blocks inside the most protected part of your ship, the same place you put computers and critical logic. Extend a temporary line of blocks from each of those to where you need those docked components to actually be. Start the building from that line and then delete the temporary line of blocks.

    In combat, it is highly likely that your main ship hull will wind up overheating 'before' any of the docking blocks for your docked components are destroyed, thereby minimizing any resulting lag.
    That's really good advice. Thanks.
     

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    I'd like pirate stations which show the rules for a 64x64x64 sector box.

    Can admins spawn them by default when a new sector is loaded without such a station around and choose which blueprint to spawn there? This sounds like stuff you would write custom launchers for.

    Peoples might kill these headquarters of pirates or rebuild them stronger than before, but it's good if you could select rules for space-boxes-in-space!
    Some servers have stronger pirates further away from spawn and so should the game support it by default.
    (template-set A for spawn-distance a, set B for distance b, …)
     
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    I'd like pirate stations which show the rules for a 64x64x64 sector box...
    That's a good idea. Basically a 'pirate' free fire zone if I catch your drift. Unfortunately it is leaving the boundaries of my knowledge space, so it would be best if you took that initiative to outline it for server hosts.
     
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    That's a good idea. Basically a 'pirate' free fire zone if I catch your drift. Unfortunately it is leaving the boundaries of my knowledge space, so it would be best if you took that initiative to outline it for server hosts.
    Make it a Dread Pirate Faction.
     
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