7. adj. The entity's status of being able to be left alone and non-invulnerable for approximately 30 days on a public server not farther than 20 sector lengths from spawn, containing more than 100 non-invisible blocks, and remaining mostly intact, factioned correctly to the original owning faction, and functional throughout that time without admin commands, repair, or rebuilding.
Not sure if any station could survive 30 days unattended, IMHO. At least against players. Against AI I think the goal would be indefinite survival.
30 days is more extreme than scenarios I was thinking of (3 to 4 days) but it's up to individuals to decide what they consider secure and how secure they want to be.
Except move.
The thing is though, is that the griefer will win in the end. You will have to spend far more time building those defenses than a griefer ever will in taking them down. When you can easily build torpedoes, and create automated launchers for them, a griefer can sit back and enjoy the show. Once they've made a large enough hole, they can (relatively) safely move a bit closer and start picking apart the defenses in earnest. If you've ever played EVE Online, or a well populated PvP MineCraft server, you know that there are many griefers who do not get bored. True griefers want to mine the salt of your tears, and they will persist until they get what they want. Take it from someone who has been "that guy".
I was wondering when this meme would make it here. XDNot sure if any station could survive 30 days unattended, IMHO. At least against players. Against AI I think the goal would be indefinite survival.
But that does raise another interesting aspect of securing a station: Distancing yourself from threats. Most people don't go too terribly far out of their way to find stuff unless everything nearby has been picked clean. For every system you jump away, you're increasing the potential search volume by an absolutely enormous number of sectors. 8 systems out from spawn, the search area is functionally 2,097,152 cubic sectors. 16 out is 16,777,216 cubic sectors. 32 systems is 134,217,728 cubic sectors (granted the areas near stars could largely be ignored but even then, you still might have to search them if your enemy was particularly crafty with a planet segment or asteroid). Every time you double your distance you octuple the search volume. Since systems aren't, by default, revealed, until the system your station is in is explored they won't know which system your outpost is in. And once they do, they still have to search every station within the system to find yours (which means derelicts and pirate stations and stuff are technically defensive features). That's actually part of the reason I never reveal my outposts existence except on a need to know basis. After all...
Of course... Nothing stopping you from claiming the system only when you're online. There is a revoke button. ;3
To me this is just calling for a new proximity sensor block, and would be less computationally intensive.
Actually I think a griefer will have to spend more time taking out the defences I've proposed in this thread that you'd have to spend putting them up (templates).
That doesn't cut it when you're trying to carve out a "permanent" territory (for FP income, or whatever). It seems to me that the devs and many players see the late stages of the game as RTS-like, where factions carve out empires and war with each other on a large scale. Only hanging on to sectors long enough to mine them out isn't going to be good enough for that.
True, if you want to keep it. But there are times when it is beneficial to be a locust and clear out a system. If you can manage to do that, your opponents can't have those resources. If you mine out territory your opponents are considering, then they may end up taking a system and not getting much benefit from it (aside from points earned for holding it).
But an intelligent attackers would use these blocks to attack your shields from a greater distance.
Nice one
Will change if someone makes a wiki entry and copy+pasteable content for it.
The definition of secure is broad, but the OP narrowed it by providing examples of what he meant with it.
Don't place your station on "+100 0 0" lolNot sure if any station could survive 30 days unattended, IMHO. At least against players. Against AI I think the goal would be indefinite survival.
But that does raise another interesting aspect of securing a station: Distancing yourself from threats. Most people don't go too terribly far out of their way to find stuff unless everything nearby has been picked clean. For every system you jump away, you're increasing the potential search volume by an absolutely enormous number of sectors. 8 systems out from spawn, the search area is functionally 2,097,152 cubic sectors. 16 out is 16,777,216 cubic sectors. 32 systems is 134,217,728 cubic sectors (granted the areas near stars could largely be ignored but even then, you still might have to search them if your enemy was particularly crafty with a planet segment or asteroid). Every time you double your distance you octuple the search volume. Since systems aren't, by default, revealed, until the system your station is in is explored they won't know which system your outpost is in. And once they do, they still have to search every station within the system to find yours (which means derelicts and pirate stations and stuff are technically defensive features). That's actually part of the reason I never reveal my outposts existence except on a need to know basis. After all...
Good point
