CC-BY licensing ships and palettes?

[NeonSturm]

Okay, this is not really a thing for the Shipyard section, but it still seems to be the best fit to me.
Some of you might have heard that we are getting build mode templates with the upcoming update. Basically these are small parts that can be pasted onto your structure.

I created templates for all known characters in the Aurebesh alphabet. You can use those to add authentic writing to your builds.

Download
It's CC-BY licensed, which means that you can use this font for every purpose you see fit—provided you credit me.

Looking at these letteres there are quite some duplicates with what somebody would choose intuitively.

Now listing all things I get on my keyboard and from which somebody could create these letters intuitively.
.. .. ..ŧZ7 VT .. .. ..
1. .. C. .. Ł£ W. .. d.
c. 7. .. .. u. y. O. ..
v. d. .. 3. .. .. PI []
.. Ð. 1. .. 3. 4. .. ..
7. 8. .. 0. ,¸ ,, ?. ..
>. |. +. -. v. v. '´`
Ŧ- Ŧ. /- 7.

Now looking at the 3-block version

From http://starmadedock.net/content/aurebesh.1282/

K I ↓ uv ||
I see 3 different types of o



Now using this as a perfect example of how easy it is to write the same if you wanna copy nearly 1/2 letters in "Currier New" I just have to ask:

When are you required to mention somebody?
Who / how many to mention?
After how many of these letters? (what if I make a replica based on an image, not this one?)
Should I mention 5 peoples for writing this post? (Currier new, Arial, Resba, Schema, ...)



What if some License-Troll decides to license all variations of a gate-loop with the new gate-blocks?


Where should we stop discussing this?
Which degree of uniqueness is worth a mention?


Earlier I stated something like that if 100 peoples need 100 minutes to make a mention or 300 minutes looking for how to make the right spelling/credit and you yourself worked less than that time doing it, you should probably release it under the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTFPL

How many peoples should you be allowed to bother how long with this?

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[Comr4de]

I think the fact that he licensed something he released for general public use is tantamount to charging people to use clipart.

Honestly if you don't wanna credit him just make your own version of the letters (frankly I'm tempted to do this myself and release just to spite him but I'm not about that life)

 

[max stripe]

is he even aloud to license aurekbesh witch is ALREADY LISENCED by Lucas Arts
im thinking no
so for the hell of it ill make a version of it lol
mabye even make one for english too

 

[Comr4de]

Buddy i don't wanna rain on your parade but licensing english may not work out, you need to be proficient first

 

[max stripe]

never said i was gunna licence it

 

[NeonSturm]

I've heard that in music industry you need 4 unique beats/strokes to protect something.
Because nobody knows what 4 unique beats/strokes are already registered, everybody pays GEMA, afraid of releasing something that could cause a legal issue.


The star-made equivalent of 4* 4/4 beats/strokes would probably be greater than 4x4 *16 = 256 blocks (thinking of 16 colours * rotation < analog frequency * delay)



I saw this texture. Now if I do it I hurt copyright.

If I would never have seen it (like if you need to register on a Chinese site (which I can not because I don't know which button to click on them) to see it) and it is obvious, nobody could blame me using his signs.
Thus copyrighting something very simple is stealing the right from others to discover it themselves and use it.​

The border between what is an amount worth copyrighting and what is not is sometimes very thin and gets dragged up/down a lot.
I wanted to hear people's opinions on this and are happy that I am not alone interested into this

 

[SkylordLuke]

holy jesus... licensing star wars letters ,that are made of blocks... in starmade? people are going mad,i knew this day would come.. but come on...
i understand if someone wants to protect his ship build,but this..no thank you

 

[gamesaucer]

Licensing recreations somehow seems... wrong to me.

I mean, I have been awarded full commercial rights to a font called Agra Axera, and even I wouldn't dare to license it any differently than including it under Agra Axera's default license if I recreated it in StarMade. After all, it's still the creative work of whoever created the font. You shouldn't be able to license it seperately.

 

[der_scheme]

Where should we stop discussing this?

Three days ago.

is he even aloud to license aurekbesh witch is ALREADY LISENCED by Lucas Arts
im thinking no
so for the hell of it ill make a version of it lol
mabye even make one for english too

If someone draws a picture of an X-wing, is it a creative work? Yes. Are they allowed to license it to the public? Yes. This is pixel art. You can't create them by simply overlaying a grid on a picture and placing block by block, especially the 3 block version.

holy jesus... licensing star wars letters ,that are made of blocks... in starmade? people are going mad,i knew this day would come.. but come on...
i understand if someone wants to protect his ship build,but this..no thank you

What is your problem? Applying a license to a creative work is required for other people to legally use it. I thought you knew that. This is therefore not about protection (because that's what it would be without the license), but allowing it to others.
All this license does is that it requires someone to credit me. Apart from that there are no real limitations to usage.

Seriously, why do we even have to discuss this? I don't get it. Making these glyphs takes time, because it's not about taking 1:1 over from a grid. Both font sizes took me several hours to get somehow right, this is more than it takes other people to build a ship. Why does it seem okay to you (all of you, he has 7 positive ratings there) that this is licensable, but glyphs are not? You can also ask yourself, why do fonts IRL always have licenses?

I explained all this in the thread NeonSturm quoted. Thanks for the attention, can we stop this stupidity now?

Edit:

Licensing recreations somehow seems... wrong to me.

I mean, I have been awarded full commercial rights to a font called Agra Axera, and even I wouldn't dare to license it any differently than including it under Agra Axera's default license if I recreated it in StarMade. After all, it's still the creative work of whoever created the font. You shouldn't be able to license it seperately.

There are even public domain Aurebesh fonts out there. This is all perfectly fine.

 

[ToyotaSupra]

Because
@der_scheme it looked like you were trying to stop people from using your creations full stop. Of course, it got somewhat out of hand a bit...

 

[der_scheme]

The opposite is true. That's why CC-BY license. Without a license, using that stuff in your creations would be problematic. Should I include this in every of my resources? :/

Edit:

Why CC?
The idea of universal access to research, education, and culture is made possible by the Internet, but our legal and social systems don’t always allow that idea to be realized. Copyright was created long before the emergence of the Internet, and can make it hard to legally perform actions we take for granted on the network: copy, paste, edit source, and post to the Web. The default setting of copyright law requires all of these actions to have explicit permission, granted in advance, whether you’re an artist, teacher, scientist, librarian, policymaker, or just a regular user. To achieve the vision of universal access, someone needed to provide a free, public, and standardized infrastructure that creates a balance between the reality of the Internet and the reality of copyright laws. That someone is Creative Commons.

About CC

Even programming code without explicit licensing information is restrictively protected—by copyright laws that are almost 100 years old.

 

[gamesaucer]

There are even public domain Aurebesh fonts out there. This is all perfectly fine.

Ah, sure. I didn't know that those fonts were public domain. If they are, they're not owned by anyone, which makes it different.

Agra Axera is owned by Andrew McCluskey (Not the musician), and any derivative works (such as a StarMade font based on it) would still be his.
However, if you derivate off something that is public domain, you can claim ownership because of the artistic additions to it.

 

[NeonSturm]

Courier ist eine Schriftart für Schreibmaschinen und Computer. Sie wurde 1956 von Howard Kettler entworfen und später von Adrian Frutiger für die elektrischen Schreibmaschinen für IBM weiterentwickelt. Wie bei Schreibmaschinen üblich, handelt es sich um eine nichtproportionale Schriftart, das heißt, alle Buchstaben sind gleich breit. Charakteristisch sind die starken Serifen, mit denen beispielsweise der Leerraum beim „I“ gefüllt wird.

Obwohl das Design der ursprünglichen Schriftart von IBM in Auftrag gegeben wurde, hat das Unternehmen die Schriftart nicht urheberrechtlich schützen lassen; diese ist somit lizenzfrei.
[...]Jeder Font enthält 374 Glyphen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courier_(typeface)

Courier is a monospaced slab serif typeface designed to resemble the output from a strike-on typewriter. The typeface was designed by Howard "Bud" Kettler in 1955, and it was later redrawn by Adrian Frutiger for the IBM Selectric Composer series of electric typewriters.

Although the design of the original Courier typeface was commissioned by IBM, the company deliberately chose not to secure legal exclusivity to the typeface and it soon became a standard font used throughout the typewriter industry. Because IBM deliberately chose not to seek any copyright, trademark, or design patent protection, the Courier typeface cannot now be trademarked or copyrighted and is completely royalty free.

7 minutes of my time wasted :p

EDIT: stopped it. Was distracted by wrong written search-term results (currier instead of courier) and many other results
But that is to be expected.

The courier new fonts are about 375 glyphs.

 

[der_scheme]

Since it seems you don't want to just let this go.

Earlier I stated something like that if 100 peoples need 100 minutes to make a mention or 300 minutes looking for how to make the right spelling/credit and you yourself worked less than that time doing it, you should probably release it under the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTFPL

How many peoples should you be allowed to bother how long with this?

I cannot even begin to grasp how anyone would think like that. I've also explained to you that by using those templates you are saving time you would have spent making your own glyphs. Seriously, wtf?

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Realized that there is more I should have responded to.

so for the hell of it ill make a version of it lol

Go for it. There are fonts with different styles for the alphabet, why shouldn't it be the same for aurebesh?

mabye even make one for english too

Do it. Like many have done that before you. And like all of them you can of course claim credit for your creativity.

Seriously. You people could just be happy that I'm sharing my creativity with others and that I'm using this Copy/paste stuff for more than just plain ship parts. Instead I have to explain myself for allowing you to use it in the first place, what would not have been the case if I didn't choose a license. Yes, it is like that. Also see my previous post.

From now on, I'll add an explanation to every of my resources why I am choosing licenses. And with this, I'm outta here.

Edit: Why I am applying licenses to my resources—and why you should, too

 

[NeonSturm]

I cannot even begin to grasp how anyone would think like that. I've also explained to you that by using those templates you are saving time you would have spent making your own glyphs. Seriously, wtf?

I am speaking 1. about NOT using YOUR glyphs but some which look TOO similar.

And 2. about the time other peoples cumulatively are spending / time worked on.


1. is about patent trolling (and the risk that you introduce that to StarMade), thus nothing especially personal.

2. may be a point where opinions differ a lot.

I cannot even begin to grasp how anyone would think like that.

Maybe my opinion is influenced by the pain Microsoft gave Linux-users by grasping all applications and documents for the own OS and not allowing others to port it my making it overly complex to do that sometimes with intention, like with continuously changing formats instead of 1 mayor update.
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Now I know that it is better that the work is bought by public either by money or public credit (wikipedia, etc) or gifted to it (even for 500% it's real value), than having vendors being able to lock users in or the possibility to gain near infinite payback (social or economical)

I fear the evil of somebody being able to impose 700 minutes of work (about 12 hours) on 100 peoples with 1 hour of work.

Nothing against placing a display block somewhere in templates which are big enough to fit.​

Small idea btw:

Maybe we should add a Template-Author value to each template ((can't take much more memory than it's name)) and slave one of the blocks to the template (=controller) when players want to automatically track authors to later enter it in a display block.
Manually tracking Authors of 50 used templates may be a real pain (which ones did you use? did you remove all of this templates usages?)
Or do you want to use only content from 1 author (call this author Microsoft or GEMA :p) to ease the distribution of your work?

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We are not the only ones discussing this:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schöpfungshöhe​