Hence you have to balance the cost of your improvements with the benefit they provide.
The only restriction is that you can't have everything at maximum at once. You can't have one ship that is perfect at everything. Thats not really a restriction, thats just good gameplay mechanics.
Ships ARE specialized. Vaygr makes really good shield tanks, MagicTech specializes in high speed in-fighters, Trinova focuses on long-range artillery ships. Pretty much all of the major factions use highly specialized ships, it's generally the younger factions with less experience that try to design do-all ships only to learn that they are not as good.
And now we have options to make those specializations even better and more meaningful.
Not true, we used to get to choose what combination of things we needed to fulfil the role of the ships that WE designed. Now we are bound to the ship roles that can be effectively designed with 10 chambers or less which excludes or totally neuters things like rapid response warships, battle miners, long range perma cloakers, and tactical command battleships. This takes away so many options that you may have simply not considered yet. In fact, it is those non-archetypal specialties that give this game so much replay value because even after 3 years and 3600 hours of gameplay, I still have new things to explore. If this chamber cap was part of the system from day-1, I would have quit playing this game after 9 months.
If you agree that it is not an optimal choice, then there is no reason to further incentivise the choice, and no reason to deny people who want to explore variations of it that might add to gameplay.
Your arguement is moot, because these classes can be effectively achieved regardless of whether you also allow general purpose ships. For example, a ship with all of the defensive buffs and nothing else will be harder to kill than a ship with all the defensive and mobility buffs because it will have more room for shields and armor and will be able to function with a smaller base reactor as well; however, you may NEED the extra speed to get you shield tank into position to be useful in a fight. Otherwise, it will just be a brick that sits off to the side while the fast attack ships drift off to fight elsewhere.
Correct, but thats not what we are arguing. We are saying that we can't get the basic functionality things we need like scanner, inhibitors, and drives while maintaining those very specialized builds.
I like what you said Nosa, but unless I'm missing something, theres no 10 chamber limit, they used to all cost 10% but they don't now. But the fact that turn rate 3 costs less RC than jump charge time 2 is pretty crazy.
Yes, there is, I make very specialized speed tanking glass cannons and this does not make my life easier.
Nor do I see why someone shouldn't be able to make a generalized ship, it'll never be as good as a specialized one anyway, so honestly, why should we stop them if it's what the player wants?
So what does that require other than chambers in max speed and turning? There are no chambers for weapon damage, the concept doesn't require armor or shield buffs, etc.
You can still make a generalized ship. It just won't be as good as a specialized one. Nothing in the current system makes a ship any worse now than it was a month ago. It just makes it better at some things.
everything? you can barely sustain a workable jump drive, and to do that your ship needs to be blind.
I must be a space wizard then, because I just made a quick test ship with chambers for decent jump drive and scanning.
If we are going into specifics, lets go the whole way. Ill be using Schnells chart rather than going in game. 30% for top speed 3, 20% for turn rate three, at least recon 4 25% (mainly cause I can't fit anything bigger realistically, jump charge speed 2 25%. Cool thats 100%, but my ship has weaker shields, no inhibitor, and no autocharge. My ftl is slower than it was before, I die faster because I don't have the new power equivalent of ion, and if I remember my stats correctly, my speed tank isn't as good as it was with overdrive passive. I also can't hold an enemy down, nor can I travel long distances easily. Man Edy, I sure do love this ship we just designed.
I think the point me and Non are trying to make here is not about whether your ship is functionally a ship so much as whether it has enough flavor to be fun and different than everyone else's ships. So far you've expressed the basic chambers you need to make a ship be able to see and move and hopefully have enough power to run your systems, but it is not even a specialized ship like you have been saying this system encourages you to do. You just spent your whole pool making the new system give you the old system equivalent of a ship with a scanner, a slightly oversized jump drive, and a partial overdrive.
Shouldn't that be balanced by the strain those parts put on the reactor? Eg, convenient gravity should be almost free, while max speed should be expensive. Balancing could do half the work there.
