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marcus87 · Sep 11, 2014

Trollerbobman said:
Yes, but they are fighting to get this worldwide.

they can if they want to but what an american jury desides is woth nothing outside the US.

Trollerbobman · Sep 11, 2014

marcus87 said:
they can if they want to but what an american jury desides is woth nothing outside the US.

You did not listen. These companies are scattered all over the world. They will pressure their respective governments and such to make this legal. Do not underestimate companies like these. Not everything they do...is legal...

marcus87 · Sep 11, 2014

Trollerbobman said:
You did not listen. These companies are scattered all over the world. They will pressure their respective governments and such to make this legal. Do not underestimate companies like these. Not everything they do...is legal...

I dont think every government is so stupid or corrupt. But I found that more often than not people are stupid and not evil.

kupu · Sep 11, 2014

The "it's not my country, why care" line is the sort of complacency that will usher in these changes. A line is being crossed, people should stand against it regardless of borders. Besides, the more awareness for the issue now will help people world wide understand the concept and fight for net neutrality in their own country.

Companies want to restrict and "fast / slow lane" the largest information resource on the planet. The potential ramifications of it are quite serious. Imagine the ISP you are currently signed with is aligned with X political party or X corporation, but you aligned with Y. They could, at their discretion, charge a surplus for you to view media / content related to Y. To think this will be a simple payment plan to watch cat videos on youtube faster is naive.

It's just another step to omit specific content from the public via a paywall. Soft censorship that makes a profit? Flawless victory for corporate greed.

max stripe · Sep 11, 2014

kupu said:
The "it's not my country, why care" line is the sort of complacency that will usher in these changes. A line is being crossed, people should stand against it regardless of borders. Besides, the more awareness for the issue now will help people world wide understand the concept and fight for net neutrality in their own country.

Companies want to restrict and "fast / slow lane" the largest information resource on the planet. The potential ramifications of it are quite serious. Imagine the ISP you are currently signed with is aligned with X political party or X corporation, but you aligned with Y. They could, at their discretion, charge a surplus for you to view media / content related to Y. To think this will be a simple payment plan to watch cat videos on youtube faster is naive.

It's just another step to omit specific content from the public via a paywall. Soft censorship that makes a profit? Flawless victory for corporate greed.

and many people will find ways around it
by doing that they bring public opinion against them some would think theyre not that stupid

Forge_Meiser · Sep 11, 2014

if highschool has taught me anything, it's these two things:
"we are a stupid and forgetful people."
"absolute power corrupts absolutely."
-Dr. George Grant.
If you do not know who he is, look him up. He is one of the most respectable men I ever knew.

Big business, combined with big government pretty much go hand-in-hand with some pretty major changes throughout history, most of which were not for the better. I say let's get behind this because this will probably affect our corner of the universe known a the Starmade forum...and probably not for the better.

marcus87 · Sep 11, 2014

kupu said:
The "it's not my country, why care" line is the sort of complacency that will usher in these changes. A line is being crossed, people should stand against it regardless of borders. Besides, the more awareness for the issue now will help people world wide understand the concept and fight for net neutrality in their own country.

Companies want to restrict and "fast / slow lane" the largest information resource on the planet. The potential ramifications of it are quite serious. Imagine the ISP you are currently signed with is aligned with X political party or X corporation, but you aligned with Y. They could, at their discretion, charge a surplus for you to view media / content related to Y. To think this will be a simple payment plan to watch cat videos on youtube faster is naive.

It's just another step to omit specific content from the public via a paywall. Soft censorship that makes a profit? Flawless victory for corporate greed.

please do not missunderstand. I did sign the petitition, I do care for this. I just find it unbelievable this is even up for debate in the US

Mariux · Sep 11, 2014

Yarrr mateys let's kick some corporate butts

Leanson · Sep 11, 2014

http://www.newsweek.com/how-net-neutrality-working-countries-have-it-269632

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...uld-force-the-fcc-to-ban-internet-fast-lanes/

http://www.zdnet.com/eu-net-neutrality-passes-vote-7000027998/

This one is an interesting read.
http://broadband.about.com/od/netneutrality/a/Fcc-Passes-Net-Neutrality-Regulations.htm

Keptick · Sep 11, 2014

I seriously doubt that companies from a single country will manage to change the laws on international internet regulations. Seriously that's SUCH a bad business move. Even if it ever happens, you can expect mass rage and the almost instant bankruptcy of said companies. (assuming that I understood correctly what's happening)

Oh, and the world wide web (the intercontinental Internet nodes) is controlled by a NON PROFIT organization. So even if companies toss money at them it won't really do anything.

Leanson · Sep 11, 2014

kupu said:
The "it's not my country, why care" line is the sort of complacency that will usher in these changes. A line is being crossed, people should stand against it regardless of borders. Besides, the more awareness for the issue now will help people world wide understand the concept and fight for net neutrality in their own country.

Companies want to restrict and "fast / slow lane" the largest information resource on the planet. The potential ramifications of it are quite serious. Imagine the ISP you are currently signed with is aligned with X political party or X corporation, but you aligned with Y. They could, at their discretion, charge a surplus for you to view media / content related to Y. To think this will be a simple payment plan to watch cat videos on youtube faster is naive.

It's just another step to omit specific content from the public via a paywall. Soft censorship that makes a profit? Flawless victory for corporate greed.

Net neutrality is the elimination of fast lanes. But because t he or is a fast lane people imply their will be slow lanes which will be those who don't pay for the higher end services and support. The rest of what you say the scare people into getting on bored, because of the general distrust of large corps. With companies you get what you pay for. And customers will buy the best product, and if a service isn't good, they can demand better and will. But hey business and people always want more with out having to pay for it.

Mered4 · Sep 11, 2014

Net neutrality is bigger than just the Internet. You might notice that many of the big companies have very close ties to the white house, which normally wouldn't be a problem.

But when they attempt to curtail our freedoms in the name of profit? Hell. No. They already have a monopoly over many of their service areas.

What they are doing here is wrong, no doubt about it. And for those of you outside the US: They'll be coming for you next. These guys don't think small.

Leanson · Sep 11, 2014

That is true some large corps have close ties to the white house. For instance the ISP have a monopoly over the Internet service business because on government regulations, and law that limit new businesses. It makes you wonder who will profit from Net neutrality. Someone always profits, as you see advertising, campaigns, and certain business support.

kupu · Sep 11, 2014

Leanson said:
The rest of what you say scare people into getting on bored, because of the general distrust of large corps.

We have a large catalog of past (recent) events to warrant distrust and hidden agendas of corporations and governments using corporations.

I know it sounds tin-foil crazy these days to suspect our governments and corp's have ulterior motives, but i can't help be cynical over the proposed use of these wanted legislation changes, especially in light of the past decades events.

It's a genuine concern of mine that internet laws are being created and proposed as loopholes for other motives more controversial.

der_scheme · Sep 11, 2014

keptick said:
I seriously doubt that companies from a single country will manage to change the laws on international internet regulations. Seriously that's SUCH a bad business move. Even if it ever happens, you can expect mass rage and the almost instant bankruptcy of said companies. (assuming that I understood correctly what's happening)

Oh, and the world wide web (the intercontinental Internet nodes) is controlled by a NON PROFIT organization. So even if companies toss money at them it won't really do anything.

Edit: My god people are stupid... Even more so when they are in a group, namely super greedy companies.

Basically everyone with a router between the server (i.e. Youtube) and the endpoint (your computer) can manipulate traffic. ISPs obviously have that. The point here is that they want to selectively slow down traffic from/to specific hosts. Why? Because they can not only charge their customers extra, but the content provider, too, for traffic delivery. The implications are obvious and some of them were named.

kupu said:
We have a large catalog of past (recent) events to warrant distrust and hidden agendas of corporations and governments using corporations.

I know it sounds tin-foil crazy these days to suspect our governments and corp's have ulterior motives, but i can't help be cynical over the proposed use of these wanted legislation changes, especially in light of the past decades events.

It's a genuine concern of mine that internet laws are being created and proposed as loopholes for other motives more controversial.

Even if they are not—it's like with preemptive data preservation: once this data are there, you will find a stupid/corrupt/retarded politician who wants to divert them from their intended use.

blurb357 · Sep 11, 2014

LETS TAKE THESE BASTARDS DOWN CHANGE YOUR SPOILERS TO ADVERTISE THIS VOTE FREE INTERNET FOR THE GO

NeonSturm · Sep 11, 2014

I would like a license that is like LGPL for non-commercial but requires commercial to pay more taxes depending on their market share :mad:

Go away Microsoft and let those graphic card vendors implement their OPENgl stuff! Use Linux ( use http://www.ubuntu.org/ http://www.kde.org )
Go away Google, which is transferring all our data into US-law areas before you give us our search results! ( use http://ixquick.com )

Skype was the only free VoIP with video which I knew until Microsoft took over it!
You-Tube had no lags opening 5 tabs and functional comments - until the white ugly google design came!

They will ruin free things step by step.

Until nothing is left and connecting 2 (old) PCs with LAN-cables without paying taxes for it makes it legal to gather data about you. you could be a cyber terrorist!

Leanson · Sep 11, 2014

kupu said:
We have a large catalog of past (recent) events to warrant distrust and hidden agendas of corporations and governments using corporations.

I know it sounds tin-foil crazy these days to suspect our governments and corp's have ulterior motives, but i can't help be cynical over the proposed use of these wanted legislation changes, especially in light of the past decades events.

It's a genuine concern of mine that internet laws are being created and proposed as loopholes for other motives more controversial.

That is a concern of mine as well, laws and regulations created as loop holes or other motives. Can someone find the proposed net netruality regulation and laws so that we can read it for ourselves and try to see it does what many people hope it does. Let's not pass something before we read it again..lol I would like to read it, as well as other ones pasted by other countries.

Megacrafter127 · Sep 11, 2014

3 things:

keptick said:

I seriously doubt that companies from a single country will manage to change the laws on international internet regulations. Seriously that's SUCH a bad business move.

Click to expand...

It isn't just a bad business move. The company and it's subsidiaries risk being banned from countries, who don't change their legislation.
Also, as long as there is one developed country, which does not change it's legislation in favor of the ISPs, a mass migration will likely start, effectively turning the countries, who changed their legislation, bankrupt/powerless.
It is kind of hard/impossible to sign that particular letter, if you're not a US citizen. But since this letter (only) affects the US, I don't think that'll pose much of a problem.
Trollerbobman said:

You did not listen. These companies are scattered all over the world. They will pressure their respective governments and such to make this legal.

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Some governments won't give in, regardless of the pressure a company puts on it.

FunnyBunny14 · Sep 11, 2014

Eh, I just checked my local ISP, and I could trace it back to comcast. It is that the internet has way too much information to go through (and some information just not there), or I am certain I could trace most cable companies back to just a few huge ones.

And that worries me. There have been loads of troubling things in the past year alone, and more and more other things from years ago that we weren't supposed to know just keep coming to light. If the USA would agree with the ISPs, they and the government would theoretically be able to control the flow of any and all information on the internet, blocking sites of protestors and preventing us from seeing things like this. And it won't just be limited to the USA:

THEY WILL FIND A WAY!!!!

And don't tell me they won't because they will. Like I said, I could probably trace most smaller ISPs back to large ones, through merges and other deals. And we all know how those things go... Very good for business and control.

This isn't something new. Large corporations basically own the entire food market, which is a lot scarier (there are 3 companies that own almost everything in the cow, chicken and pig meat industry). Somehow every lawsuit against them goes away, and the governments choices are influenced by them.

And now they decided it was time that they didn't only literally sell us crap (I'm looking at you, macdonalds), and take away our favourite free time activity: browsing the free, very fast and reliable, internet to look up pictures of cats.

SO GO FIGHT THEM CORPORATIONS!!!!

CLAIM WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY OURS!!!!

THROW THEIR PLANS IN THEIR FACES!!!!

STUFF THEM IN PLACES THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY HAD!!!!

AND: SAVE WIKIPEDIA!!!!

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