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Welp, that escalated quickly. Not that i disagree though...

ChrisTzo, do you do this graphic arts and site work professionally or something? All of this looks very well done, I'm surprised you haven't gotten anyone yet.

A certain mining frigate is feeling left out on the OP...

Come on guys, why are you starting this up again? We already resolved this, no need to keep it going.

Hmmm.... I'm sure that somewhere back in the days of feudalism and continental battle style warfare that was a thing.

Hey, I just looked at you OP... Don't you need to update that currently at war with spoiler? It says no one, and DS at the very least is at war with you

RedAlert, if you don't want people to say things like that, don't be dishonest and do/say stupid things. Unless you mean that the conversation from that video is fake, which would be another problem, you really have no one to complain to but yourself.

Sometimes the people over at the vaygr do disappointing things. It's not like their aren't ways to make people not dislike you. You can do cool things! Build cool ships! Shoot other people's ships and then say that their ships are obviously less cool than yours! Make cool looking faction pages...

This post. Ah. So redalert was an idiot, than went on to be a further idiot by admitting that he'd been an idiot previously to someone who would love to hear him admit having been an idiot. Gotcha. le sigh

Who made the video then?

Oh that. Nevermind then.

Aaaaahhhh where was it... Where your proof is basically a video of someone baiting an Odium member into saying they made a relatively neutral thread, all things considered, for the purpose of having a description of factions that wasn't horribly biased against Odium. This you interpreted as...

Wait... So some guy in a faction which most factions hate tried to make a page to present an objective view of large factions. You then denounced him for making the page, saying that because his faction is mostly hated it couldn't be objective, and proceeded to make something which is pretty...

Yeah, I was making this for something else and thought that decided it works better as an avatar than a signature.

Hmm... Seems like we aren't the only ones who like to cut out things that make us look bad, eh Zackey_TNT? Anyway, I don't know whether to annoyed at Thadius for giving you the conversation and baiting RedAlert, RedAlert for taking the bait, or at RedAlert for doing it in the first place...

If you do put it up there, it should be entirely a description made by people from other factions

Yep. But to stop it from being abused it would cost money, and what happens when you die and lose your third ship and get stuck at spawn without enough money to build a ship because they made it so that you have to pay to even build a ship? On the one hand, shipyards solve balance issues caused...

. That doesn't let you jump, and you won't get to your faction's shipyard if you can't jump

You wouldn't for stations. But that's besides the point, how would you get there in the first place if you can't build stuff without a massive shipyard that can only be built on a station which just so happens to be far away from spawn? As I said, only remove ADVANCED buildmode from...

Talk to TwoNiner himself, he has been in all iterations of the faction, and many would argue caused most of the falls himself. Plus he founded the faction, so he's a pretty reliable source for history, if nothing else. Also possibly talk to Leanson, he's been playing for a very long time and led...